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Rock_on_2008 on 25 June 2008
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

But hasn't it already?? a 3 Million lead in a small region like Japan means a cemented lead. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

 

I think 3 million is not unsurmountable. The problem is that all the potential game-changers (Slimline, FFXIII) are too far away to matter.

 

 

Wii has a 4 million lead over the PS3 in the Japan region.



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johnsobas on 25 June 2008
DMeisterJ said:
NJ5 said:
DMeisterJ said:
The PS3s last hope in Japan is a Slim-line model. Look at the wonders it did for the PSP and DS in Japan.

Take note Sony. Slimline something, and the Japanese people will snatch it up.

Any idea if it works for consoles too? Did it boost the PS2 a lot? I'm not asking it rhetorically, I honestly never looked at the data from that perspective.

Any changes in hardware (even new colors) result in a temporary boost due to people buying the new versions and selling or giving away their used consoles, but what we're looking for is the possibility of a sustained boost. Nothing else matters, one-time boosts are irrelevant.

In any case, unless a Slimline PS3 came soon, by that time the Wii would already have cemented its position as THE current-gen console in Japan.

 

Well, the PS2 was selling well always anyway, so the slimline wasn't really neccessary for sales.

But if the Slimline PS3 is accepted the way the DS Lite and the PSP Slim were, it'll be some good sustained sales for the system. I predict that the PS3/Wii will end up like the DS/PSP with the PS3 selling much better later in it's lifetime, because of the Slim-line model, if Sony doesn't release it in the near future.

come on now you're comparing a slim version of a handheld to one of a console.  You don't carry around your console all the time so it matter far less.  We saw a moderate short term increase in PS2 sales with the slim in Japan, but in the large scheme of things it was nothing.

 



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NJ5 on 25 June 2008
darthdevidem01 said:
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

But hasn't it already?? a 3 Million lead in a small region like Japan means a cemented lead. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

 

I think 3 million is not unsurmountable. The problem is that all the potential game-changers (Slimline, FFXIII) are too far away to matter.

 

but PSP proved us wrong in that matter...I mean no-ones saying PSP will catch up to DS...but a similar resurgence may be possible, we just don't know whether they are ok with 2 consoles instead of 2 handhelds.

 

 

But by then, it's really hard to get developers interested (it's even worse for the PSP due to piracy). Japanese-oriented developers will be churning out Wii titles on a constant basis, how would a PS3 comeback play out?

 



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DMeisterJ on 25 June 2008
johnsobas said:
DMeisterJ said:

Well, the PS2 was selling well always anyway, so the slimline wasn't really neccessary for sales.

But if the Slimline PS3 is accepted the way the DS Lite and the PSP Slim were, it'll be some good sustained sales for the system. I predict that the PS3/Wii will end up like the DS/PSP with the PS3 selling much better later in it's lifetime, because of the Slim-line model, if Sony doesn't release it in the near future.

come on now you're comparing a slim version of a handheld to one of a console.  You don't carry around your console all the time so it matter far less.  We saw a moderate short term increase in PS2 sales with the slim in Japan, but in the large scheme of things it was nothing.

 

Exactly what I said, it was a small increase in sales, but because the PS2 was selling fine as is, the increase wouldn't have been huge.  But the PS3 is a huge machine.  And Japanese people like smaller things. 

I'm not saying the Slim-line is the end-all be-all, I'm just saying that it will definitely help out sales.



darthdevidem01 on 25 June 2008
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

But hasn't it already?? a 3 Million lead in a small region like Japan means a cemented lead. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

 

I think 3 million is not unsurmountable. The problem is that all the potential game-changers (Slimline, FFXIII) are too far away to matter.

 

but PSP proved us wrong in that matter...I mean no-ones saying PSP will catch up to DS...but a similar resurgence may be possible, we just don't know whether they are ok with 2 consoles instead of 2 handhelds.

 

 

But by then, it's really hard to get developers interested (it's even worse for the PSP due to piracy). Japanese-oriented developers will be churning out Wii titles on a constant basis, how would a PS3 comeback play out?

 

Well who knows?? we'll just wait n watch.

 



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Million on 25 June 2008
NJ5 said:
Munkeh111 said:
Not that surprising. The question really is at what level will it remain afterwards

 

Whatever level that might be, it will be much lower than Wii sales.

As expected, PS3's last hope in Japan is now FFXIII, and god knows when that one comes out or how high Wii sales will be by then.

 

 

I compeltley disagree , FFXIII is Sony's next hope for  a bump in software/hardware sales in Japan it in no way determines the PS3's future . What really is Sony's last hope is strong japaneese support for the PS3 through early/late '09 if not the PS3 will be trully dead in japan and have failed to realise it's potential.

 




johnsobas on 25 June 2008

yes but even people in the west the redesign of a handheld can lead to big increases in sales. We haven't seen the redesign of a console to be significant anywhere. I don't see any evidence to how this carries over to consoles.



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shams on 25 June 2008

The question is, what do they have coming this year that will bump the hardware? They need a constant flow of quality games - its just as important for people to see PS3 software titles in the top#20, as it is hardware picking up.

At least the PSP situation has improved (a lot) - with software titles regularly in the top#20 now. I wouldn't read too much into PSP hardware (vrs DS) - its only "winning" by 20k/week at the moment, which isn't a lot considering the 14m head-start the DS has over the PSP.

And the PSP hardware improvement had a lot to do with three (four) things happening at once:

1/ New model

2/ Price cut

3/ Lots of new colours

4/ Several AAA titles hitting at once

Do this on any of the consoles, and you'll see a sustained hardware boost - but it really is a "one-off" trick. I can only imagine what would happen to the DS this Xmas if a new model hit (in conjunction with DQIX :P).

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johnsobas on 25 June 2008

what happened to DS and what happened to PSP are not very related. DS sales decreased because of saturation, PSP sales increased because of several reasons.



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greenmedic88 on 25 June 2008
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
NJ5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

But hasn't it already?? a 3 Million lead in a small region like Japan means a cemented lead. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

 

I think 3 million is not unsurmountable. The problem is that all the potential game-changers (Slimline, FFXIII) are too far away to matter.

 

but PSP proved us wrong in that matter...I mean no-ones saying PSP will catch up to DS...but a similar resurgence may be possible, we just don't know whether they are ok with 2 consoles instead of 2 handhelds.

 

 

But by then, it's really hard to get developers interested (it's even worse for the PSP due to piracy). Japanese-oriented developers will be churning out Wii titles on a constant basis, how would a PS3 comeback play out?

 

It would require the same circumstances that made the PS2 more successful later in its lifespan. Cheaper, smaller hardware in addition to reduced development costs. More importantly, lower dev kit costs, and reduce royalty fees, making PS3 development less of a premium and more accessible to smaller developers.

The downside to cheap development costs would mean a sizeable percentage of shovelware, just like the PS2.

Games on the PS3 don't have to focus on visuals that take up to ten times as long to produce (largely responsible for higher development costs), it's just what consumers expect considering the premium being paid.

It would make more sense to just publish low budget titles through the PSN store and skip physical media distribution entirely.

But the Wii has more or less already filled in the role of the PS2 this generation. It just needs more time to increase user base.