And now MGS4. Why should we discount those? Again, listing those games doesn't make them good. The list is better for the other systems right now, based on past performance of the franchises.

Yes, the list isn't as good, but 3rd party quality last year was far from mediocre, it was much worse. For a change to a mediocre 3rd party list could make a lot of change for Wii 3rd party sales. Personally I doubt it will, but that's what people seem to think.

Lets all just remember that "3rd party sales" is afterall, a talking point, and in the history books, "sales" without the "3rd party" in front of them, will be so heavily in Nintendo's favor that the PS3 and 360 will be footnotes in relation.

As for 3rd party games, they simply can't put out a consistantly Nintendo level of quality. Now that said, the PS3 has just had two of the three biggest games that will ever release on the console in the first half a year. If its 3rd party game sales hadn't edged out the Wii, who exactly would have been the failure?

I won't comment on anyones obviously biased opinion, but the facts here are relatively clear. Everyone should decide for themselves, again with less "hope" and more "deduction."

For instance, I deduce that the Wii has some great 3rd party games coming this year, that's my educated opinion. I base it on the fact that the Wii is now seeing more quality 3rd party development than ever before, with the 08 linup looking as good as the entireity of the already released library for the console.

There is no educated way to determine the level of the Wii's 3rd party support, however it is a safe assumption that it will always be at this level or greater for the entirity of its lifecycle, based on userbase.

That means Nintendo has re-earned its seat at the table, at least, and short of respecting it, fanboys should at least admit that it is a competing system.

The userbase for multiplat HD titles will probably remain higher than the Wii throughout this console cycle, so the viability of HD third party games will always be there. I have yet to see a major change, and listing games doesn't do it until they come out and don't suck. It appears Alone in the Dark isn't a great game, for one.

@Windbane: Yes we know, Haze and Lair were terrible. And still Sony fans list a lot of games like LBP, Killzone 2, FFXIIIv, Last Remnant and a whole lot more but I don't see you complaining when they do so.

Since it launched, the Wii has outsold the PS3 and XBox 360 combined (worldwide) even though it has been supply constrained, the HD consoles have seen price reductions, and the HD consoles have seen the release of their biggest franchises (Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Grand Theft Auto 4). I could be wrong, but I think it is foolish to assume that as the Wii finally starts to see third party support at a level appropriate for a popular console, Nintendo is able to manufacture enough systems to satisfy demand, the Wii will see price reductions and other incentives, and Nintendo will release the second wave of huge first party titles (targeting both core and new games) that Nintendo can not sell the additional 6 Million Wii systems to pass the HD console userbase.

Can't disagree with those reasonings. Pretty much spot on.

But it's also then good to look at GH: WT on Wii and seeing that Activision is fighting back haha. Good for them.

Hopefully the publisher for The Conduit will do the same.

Ok so me and this guy are racing at the track. I'm hitting 220 mph on the straights. He topped out at 190 mph.

Pop quiz, hot shots. Is 190 mph slow? Does the fact I hit 220 mph nullify an significance of him hitting 190 mph? If you could take your car and do 190 mph, would that be fast for you?

Now for the analogy to work you have to replace me with Nintendo and him with 3rd parties. Then replace our speeds with their sales numbers.


Nintendo selling at X level doesn't mean the Y level of sales of 3rd parties is bad.

End of debate.