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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 09 June 2008
sc94597 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
sc94597 said:
THe ps3 sucks at using linux. This is because it's CPu uses inorder processing which is pretty primitive. The last pc cpu to use in-order processing was the original pentium. SO you should just cut it's clock speed in half. Then you have that small amount of memory compared to pcs which bottlenecks it. This is using the core without the spus btw. You are also talking about years down the line when the ps3 will be even more outclassed by pcs. the most I would pay for it would be $300.

$300? For a portable PS3 with a screen to play on? Ok...

Yeah, currently PS3 doesn't allow linux to access the SPUs at all, i think, which is part of the problem there. The PS3 can get better at using Linux. That improvement would be a (DUH) no-brainer before releasing a laptop.

IBM is building blades and supercomputers with Cell/PPC combined chip clusters. The shit owns. More will probably have to be done to get the PS3 version of Linux to take advantage, but not too big a deal.

$300...way, way low, and most people would compute things way differently I think.

Um you are talking about years from now right? By that time the ps3 will probably be about less than $300 and the screen would probably be around $30 to make. The sell isn't as good as you think. Yes for number crunching its good, but operating systems run better on an out of order processor than an in order one. You should cut the ps3s clock speed in half to see how much performance it is capable of. There is very little ram in the ps3, and in the future I could see 2gb of ram being what the mainstream pc has. The pcs are already far more capable than the ps3 at running operating systems and it will just be more capable in the future. Also FishyJoe is talking about linux not being able to support alot of software. I say use wine , but the ps3 has so little ram it wouldn't be worth it.

 


More ram accessible when using linux would be cheap, though.

Agreed that Linux doens't have the programs of windows...but linux laptops still sell well.

The value here is that your PS3 is *portable* and has a screen, so you can take it around like a laptop while you travel and still word process, surf the net, hunt porn, and whatever else you wanna do. 



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epsilon72 on 09 June 2008

Do you know how much power the PS3 draws?

There's no friggin way they'll make it into a laptop.

The only PS3 laptop we'll ever see is Ben Heck's custom PS3 mod.



FishyJoe on 09 June 2008
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
FishyJoe said:
I don't really see IBM or whoever spending that kind of money to build a low power chip that can compete with Intel. Plus it makes no sense to build a laptop that can't run most of the software in the world.

What? the chip would be Cell. it will be a PS3 internally.

"can't run most of the software"... do you mean Linux? If you mean the PS3 utilizing Linux sub-optimally, the concern folds into the one raised by sc94597, and I think the PS3's use of Linux can drastically be improved upon with a little effort. The effort would be worth it for this product.

The Eee and other sub-portable machines are weak and use linux. They sell like wildfire, too. Their bonus is their size, while the PS3portable will be able to play PS3 games, give you access to Home, play Blu-Ray discs, etc.

Anyway.

 



The EEE runs Vista. How many linux only portables are selling to average consumers? The PSP has already shown that console games don't sell very well on portable platforms. Plus putting the PS3 into a portable would be an energy hog, even with 45nm chips.

omgwtfbbq on 09 June 2008
sc94597 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
sc94597 said:
THe ps3 sucks at using linux. This is because it's CPu uses inorder processing which is pretty primitive. The last pc cpu to use in-order processing was the original pentium. SO you should just cut it's clock speed in half. Then you have that small amount of memory compared to pcs which bottlenecks it. This is using the core without the spus btw. You are also talking about years down the line when the ps3 will be even more outclassed by pcs. the most I would pay for it would be $300.

$300?  For a portable PS3 with a screen to play on?  Ok...

Yeah, currently PS3 doesn't allow linux to access the SPUs at all, i think, which is part of the problem there.  The PS3 can get better at using Linux.  That improvement would be a (DUH) no-brainer before releasing a laptop.

IBM is building blades and supercomputers with Cell/PPC combined chip clusters.  The shit owns.  More will probably have to be done to get the PS3 version of Linux to take advantage, but not too big a deal.

$300...way, way low, and most people would compute things way differently I think. 

Um you are talking about years from now right? By that time the ps3 will probably be about less than $300 and the screen would probably be around $30 to make. The sell isn't as good as you think. Yes for number crunching its good, but operating systems run better on an out of order processor than an in order one. You should cut the ps3s clock speed in half to see how much performance it is capable of. There is very little ram in the ps3, and in the future I could see 2gb of ram being what the mainstream pc has. The pcs are already far more capable than the ps3 at running operating systems and it will just be more capable in the future. Also FishyJoe is talking about linux not being able to support alot of software. I say use wine , but the ps3 has so little ram it wouldn't be worth it.

 

I had a feeling this would come up. The acronym "Wine" stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator". The truth is Wine is not actually an emaulator, it's a compatibility layer which intercepts native Windows calls and translates them into native Linux calls. What does this mean to the user? What pray tell, is the difference between an "emulator" and a "compatibility layer"?

The main difference is that with Wine, the software is running on the actual chip itself. It is not being run through an emulator, the actual machine code that the compiler generated is being run on the actual CPU of your machine. Then when the hardware requests a specific windows function (such as to draw a window on a screen) wine intercepts that call and passes it on to an equivelant Linux call. This allows for much quicker deverlopment than a full-blown emulator and also is what allows for Windows apps under Wine to run almost as fast as the equivelant Linux app.

Of course, the crux of the problem is that since Wine relies on the software running on the actual CPU, the CPU has to be able to handle the specific machine code the software is written in. In other words, a piece of software written for x86 will only work on x86 and will not run on anything else. To put it even more plainly, No Windows software can run on PS3 Linux and Wine, no matter how much RAM or whatever. It will simply not work. You will need a full blown Virtual Machine such as VMWare (and I'm not sure one exists that runs on Cell either). 

Of course, There are plenty of native Linux apps that are open source and theoretically should workon Cell, to do almost everything. You will either have to hunt for precompiled cell versions or compile it yourself (and hope that it will actually compile). But Fishy is pretty much right, there will be very little software you can run on your PS3 Linux.



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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 09 June 2008
FishyJoe said:
 


The EEE runs Vista. How many linux only portables are selling to average consumers? The PSP has already shown that console games don't sell very well on portable platforms. Plus putting the PS3 into a portable would be an energy hog, even with 45nm chips.

http://www.amazon.com/Eee-PC-Screen-900-Preloaded/dp/B00191PKJK/ref=pd_ts_pc_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc

There's the number one bestselling item on Amazon in Computers & PC hardware. It's an Eee laptop running Linux. [edit: VGChartz Amazon police: I'm posting this link to show that some Eee's run Linux and that they sell pretty well...my posting of an amazon page does not mean i think that this laptop sells the best of any in the world.]

The PSP has shown that piracy is a bitch if not curbed.

How much power would it use at 45nm? Whatev, batteries will get better, Sony is the best at batteries which is why few if any major computer companies switched from Sony-supplied laptop batteries when the battery recall happened last year. Plug into your hybrid if you need to.



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Loveslya on 27 July 2008

where do you get a PS3 laptop from
and have you guys heared about XBOX 360 laptop its fake anyway search it on google



NiKKoM on 27 July 2008

Ehm.. no.. I bought a laptop for work.. not to play 15 minutes on it...



 

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Dolla Dolla on 27 July 2008
epsilon72 said:
Do you know how much power the PS3 draws?

There's no friggin way they'll make it into a laptop.

The only PS3 laptop we'll ever see is Ben Heck's custom PS3 mod.

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Staude on 27 July 2008
Kasz216 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
FishyJoe said:
I don't really see IBM or whoever spending that kind of money to build a low power chip that can compete with Intel. Plus it makes no sense to build a laptop that can't run most of the software in the world.

What? the chip would be Cell. it will be a PS3 internally.

"can't run most of the software"... do you mean Linux? If you mean the PS3 utilizing Linux sub-optimally, the concern folds into the one raised by sc94597, and I think the PS3's use of Linux can drastically be improved upon with a little effort. The effort would be worth it for this product.

The Eee and other sub-portable machines are weak and use linux. They sell like wildfire, too. Their bonus is their size, while the PS3portable will be able to play PS3 games, give you access to Home, play Blu-Ray discs, etc.

Anyway.

 

Just curious... what expierence do you actually have when it comes to building computers/laptops.

Cause nothing you've said really makes any sense to me.

Besides which... why would you want to handicap the PS3 with a tiny screen. Kind of wastes the HD graphics.

 

I think it would have a HD output.. actually someone already built this.

 

 



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Loveslya on 27 July 2008

lol if they make a PS3 laptop at the gen will they be a PS4