Also I have made several very VERY christian people admit that god cannot be omnipotent. Omnipotence requires the ability to do ANYTHING, god is unable to destroy satan or come near sin and as such is not omnipotent.

i just want all you to know that there is no absolute way to prove if there is a god or not because we weren't there in the beginning of time. No one ever questions if America freed themself from England because it's history, while the belief of the beginning is a theory meaning a belief that has not yet proven. The only thing we can do is to persuade others to believe what you believe. This debate will last until the end of time, and you all know that.

One last thing. Both the big bang theory and the belief of a god is impossible to the human mind. People don't believe god because that would lead to the question, "who created God? How was he created? How could he be here for all of time?" The same goes for evolution. people will ask, " where did the explosion come from? How can there be an explosion if nothing was there? Did a god make the explosion?"

Evolution eventually points to the believe of a god because a god had to have made the explosion. can i make an explosion out of nothing? Oh coarse not! no one can. A god is the only possible answer to creation. If you have questions or want to point out your point of view, i will be glad to hear it. Just message me.

Can God make something so heavy he could not lift it?

that is a great arguement! this arguement has been around for thousands of years. I questioned it myself. If you come down to it, God created sin. Yes, God, the holy of holy, had to have to created sin. Why? Because if he didn't create sin. That would not make him God. God can be near sin, but he chooses not to because sin does nothing but destroy. Sin was made to show God's love for men, who accepted sin as a part of them. This section is a long story, so message me if you want to hear it.

To the God can't destroy satan, that is a lie. God has made everything according to a plan. God could have destroyed satan a long time ago, but did it to show his power. This section is a long story, so message me if you want to hear it.

interesting question dtewi, i'm afraid i don't know that answer.

@wareagle372
it proves that God connot be omnipotent.

@thanny
what exactly have you seen, have you even tried to look for a logical or scientific explanation. Most illness' are in the head, meaning that you think you are ill but you are not.

wow. someone dug up an old thread. I really liked my discussion with duncan. too bad he doesn't come around anymore, he never responded to my last post.

Basically, though, I think this thread has brought up every possible tangent on this topic. For those who are really curious, there is some really good dialog in this thread.

@dtewi, your question is circular logic and has no answer.

There is a G-d.

He is the way, the truth, and the light.

His name is Shigeru Miyamoto.

First of all i want to say that alot of the arguements going on now were done to death previously in this thread and that if people plan to continue posting in this thread they should read the previous posts in this thread. Just a suggestion. 

 1. God did not create sin. God loves all that he creates, how could God create something and yet hate it? Is that God? No. Sin is an idea or concept; it is a rebellion against God and what he has created. It is a result of Free Will of which God gives his creatures. Sin wasn't created in the sense that it had a maker, it came from the Free Will, it is a rebellion against God and it came from Satan (from God's own household) and spread like the disease it is. Sin is the name given to the "dark" side of Free Will, but it is not of God and it is not from God, and it does not belong to God nor did God Create it. God cannot hate what he has created because that isn't God, what you end up with is an Idol who does great and mighty things, yet hates what he makes and kills people he loves for it.

2.  God can destroy anyone at any given point in time no matter what. Why? Because of his Eternal Omnipotence, Omniscience, and his Righteousness and Justice. Why doesn't he destroy Satan? Because that is not God. His Grace and Mercy is beyond human imaginations, and he does not deny his Grace and Mercy towards any of his creatures, and yet his Justice and Righteousness will purge the wicked and avenge the blood of his people. Vengence belongs to God not his Creatures. Therefore Satan will get his Justice hand delivered to him don't worry, but God's plan (as confusing as it may be) is unfolding, and if you read the bible you'd even here the Demons say it to Jesus "Do you come to torture us before the appointed time?" Why do they say this? Because the time is not yet. 

 Can God make something so heavy he could not lift it? -Dtewi

This is an erroneous statement that spawns from the misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the concept qualities and overall being that is God. God does not need to lift things as if he were a creature. Nor does he need to sleep or eat or think, walk, or stretch or any of those Creature-based activities. What your doing now is comparing God to Creature/Men. The God in your sentence is not God then, but an Idol wretched in the depths of your mind.

*** I want to recommend the book: Knowledge of the Holy by A.W. Tozer to all Christians and to anybody else who wants to know who the Christian God truly is. It is a book that goes along trying to grasp whatever the human mind can about God. ***