2.  Thanks for the history about slaves at that time, it's actually mentioned in the Old Testament in:

Exodus 21:2-6:"When you buy a Hebrew slave, six years shall he serve; and in the seventh shall he go out free, for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master has given him a wife, and she has borne him sons or daughters, the wife and the children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. And if the slave shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: then his master shall bring him unto God, and he shall bring him to the door or unto the door-post, and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.”

Now I have to say is sucks for the wife and children if the slave owner (master) was the one who gave the wife to his slave because they would be his (the slave owner) when the slave was done his service.  Of course it sucked for women in general back then and I guess even God must have it in for them if we are to believe that the Bible is the word of God.  For examply look at this passage that is also in the Old Testament:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29:"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

So basically what it's saying is if a virgin girl is raped and is not married then the man who raped her is to pay the father and she has to be the rapist's bride.  I wonder how that would go over in the Christian community today.

Of course whenever this kind of line of reasoning comes up most defenders of the Bible tell us to forget the Old Testament and that it's only the New Testament that matters, well I'll buy that except that when I bring up distateful passages in the New Testament I notice that some Bible defenders will quote things out of the Old Testament in order to defend it, well how can people have it both ways?  Either the Old Testament should be completely ignored or it shouldn't, who decides what to pick and choose?

3. Your reply: "Basically what Paul is saying is that if you follow the law, the authorities will have nothing against you, no reason to strike you by the sword. The authorities are for you, give them what you owe. If the authorities are wrong however would you take them over Christ? If they kill you for being right in them and in Christ, then it was justly stated by Jesus that you'd die because of him. But show Faith regardless, like the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Don't contradict the Bible. What Paul is saying is what every good parents tell thier children. Obey the Law and you won't get arrested. "

"If the authorities are wrong"?  Umm, where exactly does he say anything about the authorities being wrong?  He basically says the authorities were chosen by God and because of that they're right.

Anyways enough of this, what I do find funny though is the more passages of the Bible that are quoted and shown to be out of step with today's World the more into question the "word of God" claim becomes.

ps.  That Einstien quote you have in your reply to the other person, I notice a lot of religious people use it and try to imply that Einstien was religious, but in the lecture in which he used that quote he tore apart the idea of the Christianity's image/belief of/in God so I always find it ironic when Christians quote it.

 1. Tell me, what is the scientific reason why we all die? Does it justify why people you love die? Don't misunderstand me, i don't think science is the devil, if you read my earlier posts you'd see this. But let me explain about sin. We don't die because someone ate from the apple, we die because we sin. Because of sin, God said we could not live forever, because with the knowledge of evil and imoortality the universe God created would be destroyed, as well as the beings and the humans themselves. So we left Eden for the Earth. Now we are not immortal, because we have lost our placce with God. But that's not it. God loves us all, so he will give us ETERNAL life (eternal like God is eternal, read on of my earlier posts if you want to hear more) to all who prove that they are responsiblw with the knowlege of good and evil. That is why you and your loved ones and all of the Human race aren't immortal. 

You obviously are missing something again! If God is omnipotent no one would suffer or die. The rest of what you said is disproven because god could just change it (yup he's omnipotent). It has nothing to do with someone's cause of death.

Please don't try and pollute my life with magic. My life has nothing to do with Zeus's thunderbolts and it has nothing to do with any abrahmic religion either.

 2. Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the rules of the old, but to renew them. We don't stone people to death anymore because of what Jesus teaches. Those without sin can judge those who sinned. Therefore none of the Pharisees could cast a stone. Jesus didn't abolish the old rules, he just refurnished them. Go ahead cast stones, just make sure that you are in a position to judge others without having to be judged yourself. The rules about slavery, i see no encouragement of slavery in the Bible, sorry. Homosexuality, that's assuming that homosexuality isn't hindering nature, and the human race, and is actually not a choice. And besides, the greatest of all the rules is Love. Love for yourself, God and others.

No. Omnipotent beings don't change their mind about things. You're not reading the bible again! Homosexuality is natural, which part of it comes from somewhere that is not nature? Nothing is not natural - such an idea is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it is a choice or not - as long as it's not your choice whether it exists or not.
 
3. You need to study the Christian religion my friend. Justify that these people who fought in the crusades and took part in the inquisition were by Christ justified in thier actions. Prove to me that Jesus Christ himself would agree wholeheartedly of all the killing and wars took place in his name. Those people were wrong, you and I both know that. But are you going to blame it on Christianity which condemns the same thing, or are you going to blame it one the people whose ignorance knows no bounds. And Just so you know, alot of the crusades wasn't about destroying the Muslims, but it was partly (by King Richard the Lion-hearted i think) due to save the inoccent people of Jerusalem. And yes, fake christians make up a large percent in Christianity i know that. That's why i said, the biggest thorn in Christianity is internal, straight from the fake christians who sin in God's name, or who are foolsih in God's name.

 Is this king magical too? He can live forever, throughout the crusades at least, old guy. Those people went to war in the name of Jesus, though according to you they started a religious war for no religious reason. It only took 700 years after constantine and they were ready to kill for something they can't prove ever existed. All of the wars were against muslims. It was a HOLY war, hence, the name "Crusades." Obviously not only do you need to actually read the bible - but you need to read a lot more.

I have studied the christian religion, and obviously more than you, which I guess is typical since Christians don't even read the bible, (not even the pope http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6b_vVNP4nM).

5. Historically Jesus Christ existed. Show me a valid work of history that disproves the existence of Jesus. Jesus Christ was an epidemic back in the 1st century. Before the Bible as we now know it was finished. Are you saying that Jesus started up from nowhere? Are you saying the Christians who were persecuted were believing in an imaginary person? Are you stating that there was no Jesus?

EDIT: Forgot to mention, christians were a small group of people before constantine decided to make christianity the offical religion.

The burden of proof is on you. Jesus is no different than Dionysus. You don't pray to any other beings whose stories are identical? Most people know that the ideas in relgions were borrowed from others.

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

Jesus turns away a woman who is from Canann. Every theologian knows this about this story. This proves to me you've never read the bible.. or you're trolling which I guess never occured to me - in which case you got me.

Israelis:

"Our god has given this land to us, and we must protect it from the nonbelievers, our god will protect us, he wants us to be victorious."

Palestinians:

"Our god has given this land to us, and we must protect it from the nonbelievers, our god will protect us, he wants us to be victorious."

No good god would ever let people kill in his name. This means that one of these groups is right, neither of these groups are right, or god is evil.

You cannot justifiably say exactly one of these gods don't exist. Both of the two religions these people follow are just as crazy. This leaves the facts that god is evil or doesn't exist.

Is pi really 3?

Why doesn't god heal amputees? If god were good and all powerful he would. I would do it if I could, and certainly a perfect god would have to be better than me. Either god is evil or he doesn't exist. Either the bible is written by god or it isn't? Read the bible and disprove anything I have said. As of now you haven't said anything at all. You're not reading it - otherwise you'd have seen what it really says. Read it from start to finish, don't skip the bits you think are written by god on a bad day.

"ps. That Einstien quote you have in your reply to the other person, I notice a lot of religious people use it and try to imply that Einstien was religious, but in the lecture in which he used that quote he tore apart the idea of the Christianity's image/belief of/in God so I always find it ironic when Christians quote it."

Yeah I was gonna say something. Einstein didn't believe in a personal god and if he did - he was jewish anyway.

yea thiers a god.... or thats what im told

"'If the authorities are wrong'?  Umm, where exactly does he say anything about the authorities being wrong?  He basically says the authorities were chosen by God and because of that they're right." -Legend11

Read my post carefully, i was never implying that he said this, this is on basis of Christianity. Dont take too much into this, all Paul is saying is that you should obey the Government or you'll get in trouble by the government, and because the authoritive rules are there for the benifit of the Human race.  (If there were no laws, there would be no political structure and lead to chaos).

"ps.  That Einstien quote you have in your reply to the other person, I notice a lot of religious people use it and try to imply that Einstien was religious, but in the lecture in which he used that quote he tore apart the idea of the Christianity's image/belief of/in God so I always find it ironic when Christians quote it." - Legend11

I didn't qoute Einstein because i agree with his moral values, ethics, philosophies, or personal beliefs, i qouted him because i agree with his quote. Don't look to much into what i say i really don't have alot of those hidden meanings.

"You obviously are missing something again! If God is omnipotent no one would suffer or die. The rest of what you said is disproven because god could just change it (yup he's omnipotent). It has nothing to do with someone's cause of death." - DuncanMcNeil

Where do you get that logic. If God is all-powerful no one would suffer or die? People suffer or die because we left God omnipotence, and thus left his main protection. He still cares about us so he protects us from alot of things but God wants us to freely chose to be part of his power. How does God being omnipotent help your arguement at all? (No offense) 

"Please don't try and pollute my life with magic. My life has nothing to do with Zeus's thunderbolts and it has nothing to do with any abrahmic religion either." - DuncanMcNeil

Again, you're better than that. Really.

 "No. Omnipotent beings don't change their mind about things. You're not reading the bible again! Homosexuality is natural, which part of it comes from somewhere that is not nature? Nothing is not natural - such an idea is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it is a choice or not - as long as it's not your choice whether it exists or not." -DuncanMcNeil

How did i say that an All-Powerful being was changing thier minds? And about Homosexuality, when i said its not natural, i mean it is a weakness in nature. Naturally a being would surive for the sole purpose of passing down genes. How could you do that if you are a Homosexual. And by stating nothing is not natural, what you mean is that "nothing is new under the sun". I didn't mean not natural as in its supernatural mind you. And a choice, that's what we have because of free will, so i don't understand your point.

 "Is this king magical too? He can live forever, throughout the crusades at least, old guy. Those people went to war in the name of Jesus, though according to you they started a religious war for no religious reason. It only took 700 years after constantine and they were ready to kill for something they can't prove ever existed. All of the wars were against muslims. It was a HOLY war, hence, the name "Crusades." Obviously not only do you need to actually read the bible - but you need to read a lot more." -DuncaMcNeil

What are you talking about? Learn some history. King Richard was a real person who was in the crusades, and surrendered to the Muslims due to the fact that he didn't want to risk the lives of the innocent people. And yes you are correct, the people went to war for no religious reason. And by your logic, everyone that was before your birth never existed. In fact, how can you be sure how old you are, if the only way to know is by the information by others? The Crusades/Jihads were holy wars that took place between the Muslims and the Christians for no religious reasons. 

The First Crusades were for the protection of the Byzantine Empire from the advancing Muslim army. The next ones were for the purpose of controlling the Holy Land which is NOT a reason (based on Christianity) to go to war. During those times is when the event with King Richard happened. Obviously you need to read alot a more.

" No good god would ever let people kill in his name. This means that one of these groups is right, neither of these groups are right, or god is evil." - DuncanMcNeil

No good God would force people to do what he says. No good God would forcibly stop sin from the minds of people. But a just God, who has never sinned (because How can God be God if he sinned? Then he is not God) will judge all the people of the Earth, and a kind God will give them plenty of time to change and ask for forgiveness. Also, how about both these groups are wrong, because they fight for a foolish cause? It has been written, that these two groups with argue with each other for Eternity, ever since Jacob and Esau (pretty sure that's the one).

 "Is pi really 3?" - DuncanMcNeil

What?

"Why doesn't god heal amputees? If god were good and all powerful he would. I would do it if I could, and certainly a perfect god would have to be better than me. Either god is evil or he doesn't exist. Either the bible is written by god or it isn't? Read the bible and disprove anything I have said. As of now you haven't said anything at all. You're not reading it - otherwise you'd have seen what it really says. Read it from start to finish, don't skip the bits you think are written by god on a bad day." -DuncanMcNeil

What? Am i going to have to type the same point over again? God is not evil. If God was evil he could not be God. You have no idea what your talking about when you say "God". Look, i'm no Catholic. I'm a Christian, I read the Bible. I'm sure your not reading it - otherwise you'd have seen what it really says. Read it from start to finish, don't skip the bits that you think are written by a contradictory fool on anyday, read everything and don't nitpick. Be wise for once and be open-minded. That's why i say you're ignorant. You mind is narrow. 

*Ok from earlier now *

"I am sure that atheists are not immoral. You're twisting the statistics because you think christians are better people than atheists. You think christians are good people for one of two reasons:

1. Racism, slavery, rape, and war are good things to you.

2. Or you have not read the bible." -DuncanMcNeil

And all of sudden all Athiest have perfect morals and all Christians are beneath you and your atheism. Perfect way to prove your point.

1. What?

2. What?

 "I don't really care for murderers and rapists." - DuncanMcNeil

This is what seperates a follower of Christ from you. You lack Love. You don't care about other people.

 "Agreed, and you should not either, if a smart person reads the bible - they will know God is evil or imaginary. Christianity IS flawed." -DuncanMcNeil

And we all aren't smart people? I'll tell you the truth. If a Man reads the bible (not some sort of evolved beast) than thethey will know that God is beyond the concept of human understanding. They will know that People ARE flawed. I see no flaw in Christianity.

 "Christ was innocent? I think you're missing the part where he advocated slavery and was racist. Not to mention, no socieities take kindly on people who claim to be under the direct lineage of god."  -DuncanMcNeil

Tell me, how did he advocate slavery and was racist? You're not maing sense at all. Say what your talking about. And the Jwes who accused Jesus believe that a Messiah will come who is of God, and save them. They just didn't see Jesus as a fit candidate because he was tolerant of different races, and sinners, and he had a message of peace rather than a message of war against the Romans.

 I'm tired, but truthfully Duncan, alot of what you said is ignorant, others are foolish, others make no sense, and the rest are you bashing Christianity for no reason. And you stated that i'm trolling? Go back a few pages and read, and maybe you'll see i'm full-fledgedly stating why there is a God. God Is because He Is. I haven't come up against any reason that disproves God's existance. Don't take me as a fool. You have to step up.

However, this is what i posted before about. The "scientists" who abolish Nescience with Science, and refuses to let them co-exist. For this is the sole reason i posted that qoute, but i guess you failed to see that. You sound so uneducated, like you got your intelligence from walking into a church and talking to some of the Catholic people that you see around you, and by watching TV and youtube videos. I'd rather be talking to someone who gave actual reasons against God, than what your saying. I don't even think you know what your saying. But that's just me. I know God Is, because of Faith. That's that. 

Mr. McNeil,

1st  I would like to apologize for the way I made my point… DUNCAN, Are you sure that you are looking at the data correctly? How do you know that the Atheist did not commit a crime, get thrown into prison, and then in his hardship seek God? 
  I did not mean it to sound as though I was attacking Atheists. Really what I was saying is that the data that you used though it may be true, only tells you that there are Christians in prison but it does not tell you if they were Christians before they went in. In prisons there are all types of pressures on you as many like to quote: “Religion is the Opiate of the masses.” 
  Have you seen “O’ Brother Where Art Thou” George Clooney played the part of this guy that would call on God and make all of these promises to Him but as soon as he was safe he would go back to his old ways by explaining away the miraculous way he was saved. Many people live like this.
  Prison is a violent place and in order to survive it you need affiliations. Some chose gangs, White Supremacist, Black Supremacist, colors--- some people divide by religion. From what I have seen on documentaries there are perks in being affiliated to Christian groups (as I alluded to in my former post, Christians ministering to those on the inside could result in free food or resources…)
Do you get what I am saying?
  There is only so much that data can tell you and it can swing both ways. A lot of convicts convert to Islam but will you argue that Islam is the reason they are incarcerated? The same goes for any religion even and of course yours.
  Mr. McNeil I do not think that Christians are “good” people. “Good” what does that mean to you? What makes one man good and another not? You may be the best man on this planet and only guilty of 2 sins and that would certainly make you less of a sinner than me (heck even 100 sins), but you would still be a sinner.

  Let me tell you the reason why prisoners can be saved is because it is not about keeping the 10 Commandments anymore but it is about having faith in Christ.  The Bible says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23” and in 24 to 25 it goes on to say that humankind can only be justified by Christ.
  So this means, that the people that you don’t like; my “hateful and evil” God, loves.  So much that he sent his Son for them. He also sent his Son for the people that have sinned less.  Now tell me if my brother killed a man and I continued to support and love him does that make me a murderer too? Should we be judged by the people we love and hang-out with?

1. Racism, slavery, rape, and war are good things to you.
2. Or you have not read the bible.
Where does the Bible say that Rape is good? Or war or slavery? God acknowledges its existence but where does he say these are good thigs? 

Now when it comes to war… let me ask- do you think it was right for America to Invade Germany to stop Jews from being slaughtered?
AND if someone broke into your house and tried to kill the people that you love would you fight back? Would you kill them if you had to? If you would kill them explain to me what justifies you in taking a human life? What makes your love ones more important than the man that you just killed?

I said: You can't graft you beliefs into Christianity and then say that it is wrong because it does not add up to your ideas of true Atheism. What I mean is don't set-up a model of Christianity that is flawed- keep the facts correct and don't change models mid-point.
You said: Agreed, and you should not either, if a smart person reads the Bible - they will know God is evil or imaginary. Christianity IS flawed.

Mr. McNeil , what I am saying is that you keep confusing your ideas as an Atheist with the views of the Bible and thus it compromises you objectivity. It would be like someone saying all women are bad but all he ever dates is women that are prone to trouble.  So what I mean is that you say things like, "the Bible says that if you have faith in God you will see no harm" but I tried to show you that the Bible does not say that. So how can you knock over Christianity with a straw man?
Whether or not Christ is innocent to you or not is not the point the Bible says that he is. And I know what that sounds like so please follow me close…
I was showing you that the Bible (whether true or not) does not say Believers will be unharmed in life and by the Bible (true or not) I showed you that even Christ who the Bible claims (true or not) was Innocent was killed. But you then started to tell me all of the reasons why Jesus was guilty BUT was that the point I was making? No. I pointed out the fact that you made a mistake about what the Bible says, whether or not the Christ of the history you believe, was innocent; is irrelevant. It would be the same thing if I said that in that poem “the Night before Christmas” Santa’s Belly shook like a bowl full of jelly and then you start to tell me about Saint Nicholas (of history) was not fat at all. Do you see what I am saying? You started off attacking the Bible and using what you thought it said against it and then by your error you claim that Christianity is false? That is not logical. If the Bible did not say it you can’t attack it with what you made up.
You said:Christ was innocent? I think you're missing the part where he advocated slavery and was racist. Not to mention, no socieities take kindly on people who claim to be under the direct lineage of god.
Mr. McNeil, by the Bible (true or not), Christ was a slave, where does he say he is pro-slavery though? And what was slavery in those days? Are you saying that Christ is for the mistreatment of fellow human beings? Didn’t he say Love thy Neighbors as thyself? Don’t we have bosses and jobs that we hate in this society too? Wouldn’t our jobs be better if we all listened to Christ?
  Where was he a racist?  I see no evidence of that.  The Christian Movement started with the Jew and spread to Gentiles… the Old Testament said it would do that as well did the New Testament. Jesus helped many Gentiles and said that some of them had more faith than the Jews. Now if you are saying that Christ hates the Jews well you need to look back at the old Testament and see what the respected Jewish prophets say about themselves. As and African American, I know that sometimes my own people can be harsh on themselves and that is the way it should be. Those that are closer to the problem can see it better. Wasn't Christ a Jew?

You said: No, the bible says to stone people to death for working on Sunday. Then it goes on to give advice on how to treat slaves.
  Do you know that one of the reasons Jesus was killed was because he was healing on the Sabbath (the Sabbath to Jews is on Saturday to us it is any day but we widely do so on Sunday). Jesus told some of his accusers (Pharisees and teachers of the Law) a parable that went like this: “How many of you if you had a donkey that fell in a hole on the Sabbath would do nothing about it?” It is interesting that you should think like Christ.
  Did you know that every 7 years slaves were to be freed, the year of Jubilation? Did you know that God sent trouble on Israel a couple of time for keeping and abusing slaves? Men sold themselves into slavery in those days to pay- off there debt or earn money- the year of Jubilation also freed them of there debts. Some of the slaves were from enemy combatants but even they were to be freed after a while.
  God is not a respecter of persons; he does not love some and hate others- even though some people have harder lives than others. Do you want him to kill everybody? You must understand that he had to work through the understanding of men of the time. He had to slowly teach man about himself by setting out examples through history…. I’ll talk about this after you blast me. LOL.

You said: Atheist seek joy and meaning in life, we seek it in God- who is in this life and the after life.
I don't seek meaning in life. My life is for treating people well. Being a teacher. Giving to the poor. And understanding people and nature.

I am sorry for misspeaking. I do want to say, however, that the things that you say you do seem meaningful to me and that I  am sure that they mean something to the people you help.

You Said: You should let go of your supernatural beliefs and instead be a good person. If Christ or God were good people and real, they would not let people die, and they too would be teachers. Any person who is smart could tell me why children starve to death….

  All I can say to that you are saying that God shouldn’t let people die but to God {real or not) death has always been one thing that we now split into two things. When God told Adam and Eve that they would “Surely Die” if they ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, he meant that they would die and also go to Hell. Dying- is Death and going to Hell is Death, things that we separate are really one thing. But Adam and Eve did not have to go to Hell because in Genesis God said that he would save men from Hell, if they wanted to avoid it. That is why Christ came. So if God is real, there is not true death and if you are in Hell are you really dead (I speak about being dead as you may see it, non-existence)? If he was real you would live eternally, life is just about you making a decision. Will you face the Second death (Hell) or not? Those children will have an eternity with God and those who callously let them starve will be judged by God. And no I am not saying this is an easy thing to say but I am saying as I said before evil in the world does not disprove God because God never said there wasn’t evil in the world. If he had said otherwise, then what you said would be true.
 Now if a man suffers for 80 yrs. and for his pain wins eternity in joy (if it were true), and another has joy (by doing evil) for 80 years but then goes to Hell  for eternity -who wins?

You: If getting into heaven was really about being a good person, nobody who follows the bible would get in and thus, anyone who is a good person according to the bible is in the real world -  an intolerant, murderous and evil tyrant.

  The Bible says, “No Man is good” so how can getting into heaven be about doing good deeds?

You: person according to the bible is in the real world -  an intolerant, murderous and evil tyrant. 

  I still don’t see where you get this from. Be careful with calling someone else intolerant, because you have basically said over the coarse or 2 posts, that the problem with the world = Christians. And that sounds a bit intolerant to me. More over didn’t I tell you that God loves the prisoners… even murderers and rapist? On what basis do you hate them? In your view if a man dies that is all he has. So shouldn’t you be a little more tolerant with a man that made a mistake in the one life he has to live? Or would you rather he suffers for all the days you believes that he has in existence? The way I see it, God (real or not) is WAY more forgiving than you are.

Ja Mata

I will talk to you later, I hope that nothing I wrote comes off as rude to you- that is not how I meant it. If so then I apologize in advance and I ask you forgiveness and understanding. 

Ok, I noticed someone mentioned the Canaanite woman so I'd love to see the Bible defenders spin this one:

Matthew 15:21-28 :"Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.  A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me!  My daughter is suffering terribly from demon possession.  "Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."  He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." "Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."  Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour."

Basically Jesus doesn't want to help the woman's daughter because she's a Gentile (non-Jew).  He refers to Gentiles as "dogs" and no I'm not making this up in case you never heard about this in Sunday school.  Now priests and ministers who actually touch on this say he must be testing his followers but nowhere does it actually say that, they're basically making shit up to try to justify and explain it away.  Now even if people who believe the Bible take it literally or figuratively it bothers me that regardless people have to make things up in order for passages in it to be acceptable.  I used to be religious at one time (Catholic) but the more questions I asked the more annoyed people seemed to get and the more shit I saw made up to answer my questions.  I simply can't understand how anyone who actually reads the bible can defend it.

1. Racism, slavery, rape, and war are good things to you.

2. Or you have not read the bible." -DuncanMcNeil

And all of sudden all Athiest have perfect morals and all Christians are beneath you and your atheism. Perfect way to prove your point.

1. What?

2. What?

If you read the bible from beginning to end, you'll understand. God tells people to wage war quite a few times, there's quite a nasty passage in numbers. Don't respond to what I say without reading what I have said fully and going to the parts in the bible that I'm talking about. No kings have lived for 200 years. Thus "the crusades" could not have been caused by a king's need to free people. The Crusades were holy wars. I know quite a bit about history.

1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Revenge first the children of Israel on the Madianites, and so thou shalt be gathered to thy people. 3 And Moses forthwith said: Arm of you men to fight, who may take the revenge of the Lord on the Madianites...14 And Moses being angry with the chief officers of the army, the tribunes, and the centurions that were come from the battle, 15 Said: Why have you saved the women? 16 Are not these they, that deceived the children of Israel by the counsel of Balaam, and made you transgress against the Lord by the sin of Phogor, for which also the people was punished? 17 Therefore kill all that are of the male sex, even of the children: and put to death the women, that have carnally known men. 18 But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves

Let me tell you the reason why prisoners can be saved is because it is not about keeping the 10 Commandments anymore but it is about having faith in Christ.  The Bible says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23” and in 24 to 25 it goes on to say that humankind can only be justified by Christ. So this means, that the people that you don’t like; my “hateful and evil” God, loves.  So much that he sent his Son for them. He also sent his Son for the people that have sinned less.  Now tell me if my brother killed a man and I continued to support and love him does that make me a murderer too? Should we be judged by the people we love and hang-out with?

If you helped someone murder people, yes that makes you a murderer. God did not send his son for everyone, he only sent his son for the people of Israel. Jesus makes sure he points this out.

 I still don’t see where you get this from. Be careful with calling someone else intolerant, because you have basically said over the coarse or 2 posts, that the problem with the world = Christians. And that sounds a bit intolerant to me. More over didn’t I tell you that God loves the prisoners… even murderers and rapist? On what basis do you hate them? In your view if a man dies that is all he has. So shouldn’t you be a little more tolerant with a man that made a mistake in the one life he has to live? Or would you rather he suffers for all the days you believes that he has in existence? The way I see it, God (real or not) is WAY more forgiving than you are.

That's funny the 10 commandments are still around, I think all christians use them. You're not really thinking about religion and the effects of it. I have studied the bible and history for quite some time now, I think I can call people intolerant. I don't think you've read the bible. Like, the whole thing. If you did you'd see what I mean. If a man kills someone that is a mistake? God is not forgiving at all. A christian believes that (even) a child who dies right now without being baptized (with magic water) will go to hell (a place that is in another universe I suppose).

This is obvious:

Where does the Bible say that Rape is good? Or war or slavery? God acknowledges its existence but where does he say these are good things? 

1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Revenge first the children of Israel on the Madianites, and so thou shalt be gathered to thy people. 3 And Moses forthwith said: Arm of you men to fight, who may take the revenge of the Lord on the Madianites...14 And Moses being angry with the chief officers of the army, the tribunes, and the centurions that were come from the battle, 15 Said: Why have you saved the women? 16 Are not these they, that deceived the children of Israel by the counsel of Balaam, and made you transgress against the Lord by the sin of Phogor, for which also the people was punished? 17 Therefore kill all that are of the male sex, even of the children: and put to death the women, that have carnally known men. 18 But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves

Rape, war, and racism. These things are in the bible. Someone who has read the bible knows just about every passage there is. Rape, war, and racism are common things in the bible.

The Bible says, “No Man is good” so how can getting into heaven be about doing good deeds?

The bible advocates doing evil deeds. This is different from saying that you can get into heaven without being a good person. You have to do bad things in order to get into heaven.

Compromises your objectivity? (I assume you meant it to be written like this)

So what you're saying is, if I were a christian the fact that I should stone people to death, keep slaves for 7 years(and their family) wouldn't bother me. I have to believe in god then I'll realize these things aren't so bad.

 Forget it. I can't really debate something with christians when they haven't even read their own book, and need to quote things from the bible at all. You'd think someone would want to read the words that are from a GOD. I was interested without even believing in god. Now I'm a theologian among other things. All of you talk about Jesus, but Apollonius was identical. You completely ignore everything I say, dismissing it because it disagrees with what you were taught about a book. Unfortunately childhood indoctrination got to you before reason did.

PS

"Again, you're better than that. Really." This is such an annoying phrease, please stop saying it, I don't even know what it means, it's about as intelligible as "souls" or "sin." Have all the belief you want in fairies, ghosts, and men who live in the sky, don't include others in it. I'm not part of your mythology.

And this statement is ironic. "Obviously you need to read alot a more." At least you haven't tried to use retard as a noun. That's always a good one.

This is either one big joke or you're dense.

Mr. Mc Niel, your post is kind of confusing. I must assume that you were responding to someone else in some of the points that you made, because I never said some of the things that you said that I said. I never said that war wasn't in the Bible I asked you about it being pro- rape. And I asked you a series of questions after - which you never answered. But I will get to all of this later..

Legend I will explain the Canaanite woman in time, Do you happen to know about the Roman Centurion as well? And yes I know that that is from the Bible. You can not judge a man by his sound bites but by everything that he said.... well you can but I don't. Until I explain myself I want to leave you with this why am I a Christian and I am a Gentile? Why did so many Gentiles convert to Christianity if it was only for Jews? 

Ja Mata- Have a good day