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Sales aren't going to go from 0% to 100% in a year.

The kind of growth Blu Ray is seeing in 2008 is exactly what it needs to take over the market.

Lets not forget that these days you can pick classic movies ( not 50s movies, I mean movies that were big hits 3-5 years ago) in DVD format at Best Buy for the price of a rental at Blockbuster ( 4.99$).

So watching Blue Ray grow in the middle of all this is good news.

PS : That's the kind of growth I see here, in 2007 me and my friends that have BlueRay players each bought 1 title just to see how it looks like. In 2008 we're buing every big movie in Blu Ray and less important movies ( with less visuals) in DVD.

 PS2 : Blue Ray aside from better quality visuals has 1 advantage over DVD : it's langage track support. It doesn't matter to the majority of the US population but for those of us that want movies in English AND in another langage ( french for me, could be spanish for others) it is clearly the format to go to.... 

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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HappySqurriel said:
steverhcp02 said:
rudyrsr8 said:
Lol 11 million copies of Blue ray is nothing compared to DVD sales, this is so funny, PR at work here.

haha. lack of reading comprehension and logic among forum members is disturbing. Whats being compared is DVD's adoption at this point in its life cycle as compared to Blu-rays adoption at similar points in the life cycle. Factor in many logical variables such as the need for a special TV for Blu-ray (HD capable) compared to DVD's only requairing televisions already in over 100 million homes at the time of DVD's inception we see that Blu-ray is progressing rather nicely. Sure sales of Blu-ray now compared to DVD now are being dwarfed, but just like all technology and business plans you dont live and plan for today you chart toward the future.

Too bad nintendo didnt invest and put its weight behind Blu-ray or else this place would be in a constant state of orgasm for this tech.


http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/01/137211

After what some deemed a slow start, Sony is now claiming that they've sold slightly more than 17 Million UMDs since the launch of the PSP. 9 Million of these discs have been games, with just over 8 Million UMD movies. From the article:

"Current manufacturing lines are stretched to the max - Bob Hurley, with Sony DADC, says that Sony is churning out 200,000 UMDs a day and future capacity is expected to be 500,000 per day. 'Tiger Woods Golf is my personal favorite [game], but video has been surprisingly good to us,' says Hurley. In a few years Sony expect videos to be more than 60 percent of all UMD sales, with an expected 130 million UMDs being sold in 2008."

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/170211

1up is running a piece examining Hollywood's relationship with Sony's UMD format. From the article:

"Two UMD movies sold 100,000 units within two months. By contrast, one of the earliest DVD releases, Air Force One, took nine to achieve the same goal. DVD and ticket sales are on the decline, Hollywood needs a new source of revenue while they pick up the pieces, and PSP's handheld UMD format is turning into the glowing solution."

Relatedly, Next Generation is running an article taking a look at the increasing quality of original games coming out for Sony's handheld. From the article:

"After an embarrassingly slow start, the PSP has begun to find its niche with developers; likewise, Sony's internal studios and publishing division have gotten really adventuresome lately, with big and little games, both in tested genres and genres those games serve to test."

DVD had a lot going against its rapid adoption, players started out at over $1000, laserdisc was a very similar format and was widly considered a failure, it lacked many of the features of the format it was replacing (recording), and it wasn't included in a mainstream consumer device (read gaming console) for several years after it was released. Basically, most formats will have faster early adoption to DVD.


 ill gladly debate laserdisc and why it failed. but UMD isnt comparable as it wasnt home media. tracking UMD vs. dvd or Blu-ray isnt logical since it cant be played as home cinema...just two different things....just because UMD was tracking higher than DVD, which doesnt matter since theyre different products to begin with......had we been having this discussion when UMD was starting out id be firmly argueing UMD isnt a mass market product.

The basis for tech failure or success is based on improvement and unchange. By that, laserdiscs were massive and ahea dof their time...no one felt the need for that improvement and at its price and size it was too large of a change. UMD's made DVD players go away. People were comfortable with their discs, CD's, DVD's it was normal to people....UMD gave people an on the go option for their PSP but the market was unsustainable based on the advantage when compared to portable DVD's players.

Enter Blu-ray. People love Hi Definition. We see it for sporting events. General consumers "get" HD. They see the football games on sunday in HD and love it...they see the quality, they invest in a large HD TV they want to use it. They see the benefit. As opposed to laserdisc the price isnt outrageous, the disc isnt goofy and all you need to SEE the benefits is the HD TV which is becoming standard in many homes. People want normalcy with improvement...they want to understand why theyre spending extra money....aside form collecters and enthusiests people didnt understand laserdsiscs...whereas people understand HD, they understand movies....thus i think Blu-ray is a bit different.

Discussing simply numbers doesnt do justice to the debate that needs to be had when discussing the adoption of Blu-ray. The only thing that will settle this is time...and just as i said in the previous LordKNight "HD DVD vs. BD" debates...im fairly confident im right as well. so i guess ill pop back in sometime in the fall when Blu-ray is a phenomenon this xmas.



disolitude said:
@Dno

I can't play MGS4 without buying a bluray player. I call that forcing it on a consumer.

Indy may have pretty trees but HD can't mast the lackluster story and 2 dimensional characters.

Wow can't believe I agree with a PS fan on blu-ray.  Thought all PS fans blindly agreed with everything Sony did and were as a result willing to fund Sony's fight in the format war.



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Neos said:
yawn

Serious question here. Is this type of post acceptable? I ask because there have been many topics that I would post a yawn at too, but I've refrained from doing so because I thought it would be considered crossing the line. Do I have the go-ahead to start posting this way?



Dno said:
Sale-ing into Blu: 11 milion Sold & Transformers Coming
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The world just keeps getting more Blu as the end of the format war has led to consumers jumping into high-def discs with both feet.

More than 11 million hi-def Blu-ray movies have been sold so far, according to data compiled by the Redhill Group for Home Media Magazine, and that's even before the potentially biggest Blu-ray title to date hits the market on September 2: "Transformers."

Projections based on preliminary data show that Blu-ray sales through May have already surpassed sales for all of 2007.

Blu-ray software sales in the first four months of this year more than quadrupled from the same period last year, climbing to 11 million since inception.

In an indication that the surrender of HD DVD had the overall effect everyone had hoped for in sparking the average consumer to feel comfortable jumping into the high-def market, this year's Blu-ray software sales through April are more than triple the number of sales of Blu-ray and HD DVD combined during the same period last year.

To further illustrate the point, consumers are increasingly choosing Blu-ray over DVD when new releases are available in both formats. For example, a year ago each new top 10 release mostly generated only 1% - 2% of sales from Blu-ray, with a couple titles collecting as much as 5% on Blu-ray.

This year in the first quarter, the top three Blu-ray titles, "I Am Legend," "3:10 to Yuma" and "No Country For Old Men," saw 8% - 10% of their sales in the Blu-ray format. Catalog Blu-ray titles that were also in the top 10, such as "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End," "300," "Planet Earth: The Complete Collection," and "Casino Royale," saw overall DVD/Blu-ray sales jump to 18% - 28% for the Blu-ray versions of those titles during the first quarter.

The surge will no doubt continue with today's official announcement from Paramount that "Transformers" will be coming to Blu-ray on September 2. A slew of additional heavyweight new and classic titles begins to hit Blu-ray this week with "Cloverfield" and Warner's "Dirty Harry" collection and continues next month with "Top Gun" and special editions of Batman and Tom Clancy Jack Ryan movies and the "Starship Troopers" trilogy. Disney weighs in strong this fall with their first animated classic on Blu-ray October 7 in the most elaborate BD Live format yet on "Sleeping Beauty," followed by the first of a groundbreaking new series of Disc Exclusive computer-animated movies, "Tinker Bell" on Oct. 28.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=201

 

What do you think? I was in the blu-ray camp since the ps3 drop i have at least 70 movies. This is good news to me.

 

11 million blu ray movies is nothing, and I still think that the inclusion of Blu Ray in the PS3 was a terrible idea.

 

However, it's good to see that more people are buying blu ray, because when it becomes the standard, prices of blu ray movies will drop to the price of dvd movies currently, and that's when I'm getting a blu ray drive for my comp 

 

 



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Dno said:

@ Viper1

but not software^^

Which is what all you xbox fanboys say is most important right?


Did I just get called an Xbot?



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Rock_on_2008 said:

Wii is competing against the PS2. PS2 over 120 million consoles versus Wii 27 million consoles.

BTW: Blu-Ray films on 1080p HDTV's look awesome. But nothing can fully capture the thrill of seeing the movies at the cinema.


An HD projector on a fairly large screen, watching an HD movie, comfortable in the privacy of a 6.1 surround-equipped movie room might do the trick.



disolitude said:
@Dno

I can't play MGS4 without buying a bluray player. I call that forcing it on a consumer.

Indy may have pretty trees but HD can't mast the lackluster story and 2 dimensional characters.

1. Your forcing yourslef to buy a ps3 and MGS4 thats not sonys fault thats yours.

2. its not suppose to...................... i think you dont no what Blu-ray does..... it makes the picture look 6 times more sharper..... its doesnt.... um...... add story to the standard def disk.........



The thing is soon internet speeds will be approaching last i heard 4GBps for the fastest speeds possible whihc should be able to be used widespread in a couple of years therefore downloadable movies etc will probally be mainstream like music is and the fact that the inexpensive tetrabytes are coming out soon merit such a claim, especially since downloadable content will be less exensive and more profitable for companies except for middle man companies.



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disolitude said:
@Dno

I can't play MGS4 without buying a bluray player. I call that forcing it on a consumer.

Indy may have pretty trees but HD can't mast the lackluster story and 2 dimensional characters.

 

I can't play a Smash Bros brawl without buying a Wii. Why are Nintendo FORCING a Wii on me!



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