By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales - Wow maybe Sony was right about Blu-ray?

greenmedic88 on 03 June 2008
konnichiwa said:
HappySqurriel said:
MikeB said:
DVD has often been hailed as the fastest-adopted consumer technology ever, significantly outperforming the adoption of VHS video. Blu-Ray adoption is happening even faster due to the PS3.

The PS3 plays a crucial role in making the Blu-Ray movie format a success. And IMO Blu-Ray makes the game console by far the best specced gaming console out today. It's a most excellent gaming format as well (sustained predictable streaming speeds, scratch resistant discs and most importantly far more available storage space which will lead to far less storage related sacrifices).

More and better HD content (games and movies) will considerably help HDTV sales for the long run. IMO the inclusion of Blu-Ray technology was absolutely the right decision for Sony looking from the grand and long term perspective.

Everyone here will say that Blu-Ray is only as successful as it is because Sony included it with the PS3, but had the PS3 not included Blu-Ray would Blu-Ray's release had any reaction except for yawns? On top of this does anyone beyond PS3 owners actually care about Blu-Ray?

It can be argued that Blu-Ray was (or was not) a good edition to the PS3 but I think it is fair to say that Blu-Ray adoption has been less than stellar being that the majority of people who own Blu-Ray players bought it for something besides watching Blu-Ray movies.

 


Yes their are, you can find some at movie fan forums. But if I look to myself, I only buy Blu Ray movies that are new and were not yet on DVD; For every 20 DVD's I buy I buy one Blu Ray movie...


I think we will see a massive shift next year at the christmas period 2009 Christmas. From dvd to Blu Ray especially if their are only Blu Ray movies who don't see a release on DVD.


That will ultimately be the turning point if BR is ever to supersede the DVD format. It's still far too early for that just judging by the level of HD display market penetration alone.

Once you are no longer able to buy certain new release movies on a given format is the point at which it is officially in decline from the perspective of the studios responsible for releasing the content. No new content, no format.  



Around the Network
colonelstubbs on 03 June 2008

What i want to know is, were people REALLY expecting 100 million blu-ray players sold in the space of what, two years? Dvd is still blossoming, so BD sales were never going to be fantastic from the off.

Some people on this site have no perspective or patience, jumping on something if it doesnt break sales records after a day.



I hope my 360 doesn't RRoD
         "Suck my balls!" - Tag courtesy of Fkusmot

Shameless on 03 June 2008
konnichiwa said:
FishyJoe said:
I don't really care. I trust Ioi enough that he will sort it out over time.

I understand now why ioi wanted that you become a mod;.


B-b-banned. http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=19564&start=0#end

greenmedic88 on 03 June 2008
Euphoria14 said:
greenmedic88 said:
XBL isn't worth the $50/yr unless that's your only option for gaming online. With enough friends on the service, sure it's not a bad way to keep in touch, but what friends you happen to have on the service really has nothing to do with the service itself.

I could send MS $50/month and it still wouldn't make the service any better, although at that price, I'd expect glitch free service, which is something XBL has had trouble delivering during high traffic load periods. Memories run short if you can't recall that.

Cost of the media has had no bearing on the cost of games. Even for the 360, if a game is published on 4 DVDs, it's still going to cost the same as single disc game, but I don't see the point in comparing bad to average games published on BR-D with better than average games on 360 DVD. I'm pretty sure no one's under the delusion that publishing a game on BR-D somehow magically makes the encoded data on it "better."

Anyway, this added cost argument could just as easily go: why did I have to pay for DVD playback on my 360 when I already have half a dozen DVD players? Why not just publish games on multiple CDs?

Because it's mass market technology, that's why.

And eventually the same will apply to BR-D and there will be no "premium" in paying for that added functionality.


I think the price argument only has to do with the fact that a BD costs more to manufacture than a DVD9. Of course it has nothing to do with the games development.

I was getting a little lost in your post (probably just me) but are you in support of BD or no?

It costs more to publish a game on BD than DVD or CD, but that's really irrelevant to the PS3 owner, who doesn't pay an extra penny for the format, unlike movies. Virtually all brick and mortar retail outlets charge $30 a movie by default compared to the $20 default for DVDs.

If anyone wants to argue there's no benefit to publishing games on BD, that's fine; nobody is paying more for the media. If it's the added price of the BR diode/drive that's the reason for compaint, as I said, it will eventually be mass market technology, meaning it will be no more expensive than a DVD drive based console.

But you'll have to wait for that to happen. Anyone who wants the latest in consumer electronics has always had to pay a premium, so this is nothing unexpected, or new.

As for the format itself; I like it. I have no irrational grudge against Sony and facts are, it provides the best picture and audio for movies, which is great for me as a movie buff. As far as games go, it means no multiple disc games on durable media that holds a great deal of data. What's not to like?!

 



rocketpig on 03 June 2008
Shameless said:
konnichiwa said:
FishyJoe said:
I don't really care. I trust Ioi enough that he will sort it out over time.

I understand now why ioi wanted that you become a mod;.

 

B-b-banned. http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=19564&start=0#end


That's what I figured. Anyway, back on topic now, guys.




Or check out my new webcomic: http://selfcentent.com/

Around the Network
azrm2k on 03 June 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:

Wii is competing against the PS2. PS2 over 120 million consoles versus Wii 27 million consoles.


 You're doing it wrong.  You're supposed to hide under a bridge and ask us three questions before we can pass.



Euphoria14 on 03 June 2008
greenmedic88 said:
Euphoria14 said:
greenmedic88 said:
XBL isn't worth the $50/yr unless that's your only option for gaming online. With enough friends on the service, sure it's not a bad way to keep in touch, but what friends you happen to have on the service really has nothing to do with the service itself.

I could send MS $50/month and it still wouldn't make the service any better, although at that price, I'd expect glitch free service, which is something XBL has had trouble delivering during high traffic load periods. Memories run short if you can't recall that.

Cost of the media has had no bearing on the cost of games. Even for the 360, if a game is published on 4 DVDs, it's still going to cost the same as single disc game, but I don't see the point in comparing bad to average games published on BR-D with better than average games on 360 DVD. I'm pretty sure no one's under the delusion that publishing a game on BR-D somehow magically makes the encoded data on it "better."

Anyway, this added cost argument could just as easily go: why did I have to pay for DVD playback on my 360 when I already have half a dozen DVD players? Why not just publish games on multiple CDs?

Because it's mass market technology, that's why.

And eventually the same will apply to BR-D and there will be no "premium" in paying for that added functionality.


I think the price argument only has to do with the fact that a BD costs more to manufacture than a DVD9. Of course it has nothing to do with the games development.

I was getting a little lost in your post (probably just me) but are you in support of BD or no?

It costs more to publish a game on BD than DVD or CD, but that's really irrelevant to the PS3 owner, who doesn't pay an extra penny for the format, unlike movies. Virtually all brick and mortar retail outlets charge $30 a movie by default compared to the $20 default for DVDs.

If anyone wants to argue there's no benefit to publishing games on BD, that's fine; nobody is paying more for the media. If it's the added price of the BR diode/drive that's the reason for compaint, as I said, it will eventually be mass market technology, meaning it will be no more expensive than a DVD drive based console.

But you'll have to wait for that to happen. Anyone who wants the latest in consumer electronics has always had to pay a premium, so this is nothing unexpected, or new.

As for the format itself; I like it. I have no irrational grudge against Sony and facts are, it provides the best picture and audio for movies, which is great for me as a movie buff. As far as games go, it means no multiple disc games on durable media that holds a great deal of data. What's not to like?!

 


Bestbuys in my area as well as Walmart sell BD movies for around an average of $24.99, I grabbed a few for $19.99. Once in a while you will see a $34.99 movie and think "WTF?"

I also found a couple stores in my area doing a 2 for $35 deal on BD movies. Not bad to be honest considering the format is still only 2 years old. I grabbed "Dirty Dancing" and "300" this way. Don't see it too much anymore, but it would be nice to get this deal again right now.

Another good idea... get Netflix. They rent BD's. :)

 



iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

Got a retro room? Post it here!

greenmedic88 on 03 June 2008
colonelstubbs said:
What i want to know is, were people REALLY expecting 100 million blu-ray players sold in the space of what, two years? Dvd is still blossoming, so BD sales were never going to be fantastic from the off.

Some people on this site have no perspective or patience, jumping on something if it doesnt break sales records after a day.

DVD sales were actually in decline last year for the first year since the format was introduced.

That's why the studios were very eager to see that whole pointless "format war" end as soon as possible so that support could be thrown behind a single format.

They are somewhat banking on BR-D taking off to compensate for the gradual decline of DVD. As of right now, it's more profitable as they can charge more for the players and media since it still carries added value perception due to the HD aspect.

Unfortunately, not every household is going to buy an HD display simply because it's newer and better. And without that, there is no selling point for BR-D. But HD displays are unquestionably increasing market penetration, even if it's because you simply can't buy standard def CRT based TVs at typical retail outlets anymore.

These things take time.



konnichiwa on 03 June 2008
Shameless said:
konnichiwa said:
FishyJoe said:
I don't really care. I trust Ioi enough that he will sort it out over time.

I understand now why ioi wanted that you become a mod;.


 

B-b-banned. http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=19564&start=0#end

 Almost the same =p.






Viper1 on 03 June 2008
Magnific0 said:
Seems I was able to answer one of my questions:

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2002/01/07/daily34.html

An excerpt:

"One out of every four U.S. homes is equipped with a DVD player, leading to DVD sales topping sales of VHS tapes for the first time, according to figures released Tuesday at the Consumer Electronics Show by the DVD Entertainment Group.

Consumers spent $4.6 billion buying DVDs, 2.4 times more than in 2000, an increase that put DVD purchases ahead of VHS purchases for the first time despite an installed player base of 25 million DVD households versus a VCR installed player base of 96 million households, it says."


So 25 million DVD players by the end of 2001. Roughly 4 years after the introduction of the format to the market.

edit : well, almost 5 years after the format hit the streets.

That's 4 years, not 5.

US only and all stand alone players.  PS2 was not counted.

BD doesn't even have a million stand alone players sold in the US yet and it's been out for 2 years.



The rEVOLution is not being televised