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brute on 01 June 2008
joora said:
This thread is nearing 500 posts. Where will it end? At 1000? 10000? Gazillion?

I say this is all a viral marketing ploy to advertise Babies Partyz!

im thinking around 600



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totalwar23 on 01 June 2008

Well, I'm please to say that I've been boycotting Ubisoft on Nintendo consoles since...forever.



Squilliam on 01 June 2008
Onimusha12 said:
DMeisterJ said:
Onimusha12 said:
DMeisterJ said:
Onimusha12 said:
DMeisterJ said:
Onimusha12 said:
Ubisoft is another incompetant developer who thinks the Wii is a rubix cube to develop for.

Though in all honesty, this is just their way of getting around saying that they really don't want to put serious support into the Wii and are banking on HD gaming.

Banking?

Assassin's Creed at 7 million sold

Rainbow Six Vegas series at 4.5 million sold

Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter series at 3.8 million units sold.

Banking may have been a proper term a year or two ago, but I think the more correct term is "payoff".

And they aren't the only developers who are enjoying a very nice windfall on the HD consoles:

GTAIV at 8.5 million and runningn

CoD4 at 9.3 million

Halo 3 at eight million

The list goes on...  I'm starting to think that HD gaming isn't that hard of a sell to developers seeing sales numbers like this.


Even then I don't see how this list provided conflicts with my use of the word "banking". Perhaps you're just being over sensitive and looking to pick a fight. When you show me a list of games and their profits, then you can speak up.

As said above if you put the effort behind something it will sell. These games are not selling big because they're HD, but because they have money put behind them, its simle logic. The big problem here is the dimished profits returned by HD gaming. And with no evidence of HD gaming becomming anymore affordable anytime soon, hypotheticals are all you can offer.


Yeah, none of those games turned a profit.  :/


Is that what I said? The problem is not so much in turning a profit, but how much profit is being turned. Companies aren't making the money back on games they did last generation due to the amount of resources required to make just one game and the incidental limitation of the number of games they can make.

If they were really making so much money off of HD gaming, then why are they so afraid to take chances with games that aren't proven franchises or work with more than just a handful of genres? Oh, because they sell you say? Well that's unfortunately the kind of thinking that has led to Video Gaming reaching this bottleneck of diversity and its only getting narrower. Even if the Developers can keep making money like this, something is going to have to give sooner or later.


And you know that how?

Or is that speculation?

I'm sure games cost more to make, but you don't know how much, and you don't know how much profit they do make.

But I'm done.  

You're doing that all "HD gaming is killing videogames" B.S. again, and I don't feel like it.


Several developers have already stated that developing for the HD consoles is 4-5 times more expensive than development for the Wii and anywhere from 2-4 times more expensive than development in general for games last generation. Though I should know from your avoidance to adress my reponse in its entirety that your cherry picking your cop out.

I'm sorry your hit-and-run attack didn't play out like you had hoped, better luck next time.


So what you're saying is that the Wii costs less to develop for than the last generation of games? LOL. So you're saying its a plus that it costs less than last generation to develop, so you're telling developers not to spend money because its not justified on the Wii and to make crappy cheap games?

Here are some numbers for you. Gears of war1 cost a claimed $10million to make, Gears of war2 would cost even less. Total sales for both are expected to exceed $600million. Since gears is a trilogy you would expect that the game will have over $1billion in sales at retail.

As for the haze example, it is likely to sell a little more than a million copies between Xbox360 and PS3 so will probably earn back most if not all of its development budget and turn a small profit.



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trestres on 01 June 2008

@Squilliam:I think he meant Wii games cost 2-4 times more than games last gen.

PS: Close to one thousand



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DarkNight_DS on 01 June 2008

So do you guys think Ubisoft itself will respond to anything or will they try and look the other way and hope things blow over?



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Squilliam on 01 June 2008
TaurusVGC said:
DMeisterJ, even if you don't like the Wii or its owners but there's a gamer inside you, you should actually be worried that half-assed games are conquering the industry. I'm not saying Ubisoft has done bad job on XO, it has done very well. Even PS3 has had some decent ports from XO games.

But why should anyone who thinks himself as a gamer NOT care that crappy low-quality games are ruining the leading console and also the industry?

I think the PC is doing fine, but thanks for your concern I really apreciate it.



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konnichiwa on 01 June 2008

Soriku is cute when he is pissed






Squilliam on 01 June 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:


That is what I mean by them hating money. Yes, they make money from HD games, and casual games on the Wii, but they could make EVEN MORE money, by appealing to those two audiences AS WELL as Wii owners who want hardcore games.

We aren't insisting Ubisoft drop harcore HD support, or that they drop casual Wii support. We want Ubisoft to INCLUDE hardcore Wii support. 

 


Big budgets are a risk. Ubisoft has HD franchises which sell well, but have no franchises on the Wii. New franchises are also a risk so they spend their money on HD consoles.



Tease.

LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2008
Squilliam said:
LordTheNightKnight said:


That is what I mean by them hating money. Yes, they make money from HD games, and casual games on the Wii, but they could make EVEN MORE money, by appealing to those two audiences AS WELL as Wii owners who want hardcore games.

We aren't insisting Ubisoft drop harcore HD support, or that they drop casual Wii support. We want Ubisoft to INCLUDE hardcore Wii support.

 


Big budgets are a risk. Ubisoft has HD franchises which sell well, but have no franchises on the Wii. New franchises are also a risk so they spend their money on HD consoles.



Not this bullshit again. I'm not even going to try. You've shown yourself to be a Wii basher in past threads, and with few exceptions, you bashers have been the only people defending this. 



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ctk495 on 01 June 2008
Soriku said:
ctk495 said:
Venji said:
ctk495 said:
So much ubisoft hate anyways I am not excited about red steel I am sure is going to suck just like the first one ;)

And yet the PS3 crowd has such high hopes for KillZone 2, strange isn't it.

Who knows that RedSteel2 will turn out like, we can but wait and see...and I for one am willing to.


I am not excited for killzone 2, I am not a fanboy of any console,I only buy consoles to play good games I am a gamer not a fanboy.

edit:I see soriku never replied to my previous post to prove me wrong he must be very angry.


lol I was too busy playing Dr. Mario with elgefe >_>

Erm...o noz?


 Lies you didn't want to accept the fact that wii third party support will never be as good as ds's third party support