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sc94597 on 01 June 2008
merkh66 said:
sc94597 said:
merkh66 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


You're right! But there's also no proof for the opposite. There is no proof that a big budget title from a third party will do great on the Wii. However, there is ample proof that big budget titles will sell great on the PS3 and 360. Therefore it is riskier to make a big budget Wii game than big budget PS360 game. There is also proof that bad to mediocre games like Petz and Red Steel and RRR2 can sell pretty well on the Wii. So what incentive does Ubisoft have to deviate from their current formula that seems to be working pretty well?


Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


What a stupid question...


Thanks for you thoughts.


 What I meant was you act as thought they had the choice of making it good or bad and they deliberatly choose bad just to piss Wii owners off, even if it cost the same for both.

Maybe like Jman said they didn't feel like putting the extra effort.

 



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sc94597 on 01 June 2008
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
merkh66 said:
sc94597 said:

Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


 What a stupid question...


yeah it wasnt a very smart questio,low budget games cant be good

Are you serious? SO no more heroes wasn't good? Wii sports wasn't good? Wii play wasn't good? zack and wiki wasn't good? The conduit a low budget game doesn't look good so far? I hope you were sarcastic.

 

i was talking about the ubisoft low budget games,i bet theyre waisting way less money producing it then what capcom wasted for zack and wiki

 

Not really, capcom just put more effort in it.

brute on 01 June 2008

^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better



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brute on 01 June 2008
sc94597 said:
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
merkh66 said:
sc94597 said:

Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


 What a stupid question...


yeah it wasnt a very smart questio,low budget games cant be good

Are you serious? SO no more heroes wasn't good? Wii sports wasn't good? Wii play wasn't good? zack and wiki wasn't good? The conduit a low budget game doesn't look good so far? I hope you were sarcastic.

 

i was talking about the ubisoft low budget games,i bet theyre waisting way less money producing it then what capcom wasted for zack and wiki

 

Not really, capcom just put more effort in it.

thats what ubisoft should do,but it shows that they dont care about wii owners



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sc94597 on 01 June 2008
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 



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jman8 on 01 June 2008
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


You're right! But there's also no proof for the opposite. There is no proof that a big budget title from a third party will do great on the Wii. However, there is ample proof that big budget titles will sell great on the PS3 and 360. Therefore it is riskier to make a big budget Wii game than big budget PS360 game. There is also proof that bad to mediocre games like Petz and Red Steel and RRR2 can sell pretty well on the Wii. So what incentive does Ubisoft have to deviate from their current formula that seems to be working pretty well?


Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


Because it's easier to make a bad game than a good game. And when the bad game still sells decently, why put in the extra effort to make it good? If you could get B+ all the time on your school work when all you do is fill out your name, why would you actually do the 3 hours worth of work in order to get an A-?


Maybe, because more people will buy it.


 I was afraid you'd say that. Let's take the analogy further. What if spending those extra 3 hours to get the A- meant that you had less time for your other class (aka Ubisoft making PS360 games). There's a risk that spending that extra time could mean your A- to A grade in the other class (PS360 games) suffers. Would you still spend those extra 3 hours?



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merkh66 on 01 June 2008
Bored4life said:
jman8 said:
@ Bored4life, I'm glad you're willing to backup your points with such zeal. I told you what I've been hearing on the 'net: "Ubisoft is using Wii shovelware to fund PS360 projects." That's quite the opposite from "Ubisoft is losing mad moneyz on the Imagine Babyz"

They did it with RRR and Red Steel money they gained from launch,however they aren't making that money anymore.

Also.Still no links.


 Yea, none of the profit from the PS360 games goes toward making future games. PS the wii games are funded through dotations.



sc94597 on 01 June 2008
jman8 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


You're right! But there's also no proof for the opposite. There is no proof that a big budget title from a third party will do great on the Wii. However, there is ample proof that big budget titles will sell great on the PS3 and 360. Therefore it is riskier to make a big budget Wii game than big budget PS360 game. There is also proof that bad to mediocre games like Petz and Red Steel and RRR2 can sell pretty well on the Wii. So what incentive does Ubisoft have to deviate from their current formula that seems to be working pretty well?


Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


Because it's easier to make a bad game than a good game. And when the bad game still sells decently, why put in the extra effort to make it good? If you could get B+ all the time on your school work when all you do is fill out your name, why would you actually do the 3 hours worth of work in order to get an A-?


Maybe, because more people will buy it.


 I was afraid you'd say that. Let's take the analogy further. What if spending those extra 3 hours to get the A- meant that you had less time for your other class (aka Ubisoft making PS360 games). There's a risk that spending that extra time could mean your A- to A grade in the other class (PS360 games) suffers. Would you still spend those extra 3 hours?

Then they should balance it out. Why would somebody want an A in one subject, and a F in another?

 



brute on 01 June 2008
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening



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merkh66 on 01 June 2008
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening


 read up on the past posts in the thread please... we've been over the stupid promise about 30 times.