Million seller week 2 latest , 2.5-5 milll lifetime sales.

I never thought the console would explode in sales but I thought the game would stop the PS3 freefall and that just ain't the case right now... In the past three weeks, the PS3 has gone from 10,800 to 6,900 a week in Japan... Obviously MGS will help it but even now I thought that momentum would be building for this game and it's not.

Preorders in Japan are STORE preorders. So for once acknowledge that fact! You never EVER hear about people preorders in Japan because they hardly ever offer them. People line up and hope the best on launch day.

@Rocketpig

would you buy a PS3 3 weeks before MGS4 comes out or MGS4 bundled with it on the day it comes out??

we both know the logical answer

before DW 6 came out last year 360 outsold Ps3 & PS3 was very low....the next week PS3 went to 50K

why because people went for the bundle instead of buying it a week before

your argument makes no sense..

Well, obviously bundle sales will increase the week of launch... Even then, look at data for other big games. Sales never seem to drop before release, at least not during the games I remember.

In two weeks we'll know for sure. I find it strange, that's all. If this game flops in Japan, there's a good chance the entire FF team at Square drops dead of a heart attack the next day. There are several companies with a lot riding on Sony's console in Japan.

Nicely said. I am taking a risk with the prediction of this game. It does have some things going against it:

1. released in the summer, which has boring game sales. (probably good forMGS4 as the only big game people will talk about on June 12, other than MGS4, will be WiiFit.)

2. The Ps2 versions and Ps1 version passed 5 mil but by a small amount on huge userbases.  (Correction: MGS2 passed 5 mil. MGS3 ddn't, and MGS4 will most likely beat that.)

 But, that really doesn't mean nothing though. Look at the Wii. It is getting ready to outsell most of its cube and n64 predecessors. (i wouldn't be even slightly surprised if it outsold an snes predecessors.)

 Yes, the pre-orders are below expectations. But, that happens when you raise your expectations to high. I mean people literally expected Brawl to beat Halo3 when their 1st weeks were compared. That could have been done, but didn't. Yet, its legs will ultimately surpass Halo 3's. (leaving Brawl to pass Halo 3.)

 But I have a feeling that many of you guys expectations will fail. MGS4 will be great but not GTA4 type great, yet people are predicting higher numbers for Ps3 hardware when MGS4 comes than when GTA4 came. (which is just plain silly.)

Also, as good as MGS4 will be, there is no way in the whole WW, wide world, that it will sell 1 mil in 1 day. So far, I think only GTA4, Halo 3, and Brawl made it. And, MGS4 isn't on the same level of popularity as those 3.

MGS4 will be great. saleswise and all.

@Rocketpig

I agree I am feeling very sorry for S-E right now..

FF13 will make up costs though (I hope it does)

in fact I hope this makes them think we need to make in ultra better....so that it will be the next phenomenon