Add to the point 5 debunking, that 360 is 50€ cheaper than Wii in Europe (Wii still outsells 360).

^True that, they are advertising X360s for £160 in the UK, and yet it's still suffering saleswise. Just how low can the price go? Are we going to expect a £99 price tag any time soon? (I've seen users, both here and GameFAQs actually have made such farfetched ideas!)

I agree. That would give an even more accurate assessment.

Not in the slightest, how many games is that between?

1, there.

Does it matter? Point was people claimed Wii 3rd parties don't sell. Not only do they sell, but they outsold ALL games on PS3 and X360 (if you check the other thread discussing these numbers, you'll see the actual figures).

If you want the actual number of titles, go do some research. Until then, you're just attacking positive facts with negative presumptions.

The argument is that first party games sell disproportionately more games than 3rd party games on the wii.

If you ignore Sonic and Mario Olympics (Sega, arguably ignorable due to it having a nintendo licenced chara) the best sellers are at 2.8 million and 1.8 million

If you look at the 360 for instance the 2nd and 4th games are at 6 million and 4.8 million respectively with 10+ 3rd party titles till you hit the 1.8 million mark

PS3 the top seller IS a 3rd party with another 2 in the 5 before the 1.8 million mark, whats ever more telling is that the Wii has only 2 more 3rd party million sellers when there are a over 10 more that have hit the milestone. Bearing in mind there are 2x as many Wii's out there.

What this means is that not many units are shifting (generally) per game, and just due to the proliferation of games out there (yes, 256 currently released in the states) the returns are marginal.

So yes the Wii is shifting a lot of 3rd party units, but marginal sales per game.

So is that the new detraction? Disproportional 3rd party sales?

Do you honestly think that affects a publishers bottom line? The proportion of their sales as a whole?

By the way, there are 11 3rd party million sellers and what's with the arbitrary 1.8 million mark?

Fact of the matter is 3rd parties are selling more games on Wii than on X360 and PS3. Your attempt to negate that fact by supposing each Wii 3rd party titles sells less than each 3rd party title on opposing consoles is pointless because the bottom line shows more sales overall and that's what publishers are looking for. Not a percentage of overall sales....but overall sales itself.

 That's an interesting argument, but if you take out all Nintendo 1st party games, the Wii is still selling more games than either competitor.

To say that the world's greatest software developer's games shouldn't be counted seems a little batshit crazy to me.

And this new "sales per game" argument... I don't get it how it's a valid complaint.  These Wii games are profitable.  Everybody's happy.  The reason 3rd party games do so well on PS360 is because Sony and Microsoft's first party games don't sell like Nintendo's first party games.  If anything, that's a compliment to Nintendo's software.

Is the fact that the Wii doesn't have GTA4 or COD4 going to hurt it?  Nope.

Are you really arguing that the Wii is selling this many games because it has the most games, but we shouldn't care because they're all shovelware?  Where was this argument when the PS2 and PS1 won in the same exact way?  Or does this argument only work for Nintendo's market expansion and not Sony's previously successful market expansion?

Lol fanboys are getting more innovating as time passes by, too bad their new arguements are 100% shit.

I got about 62% 1st party when I counted Wiiplay and Wiisports.

Edit: Its 63%. More if I exclude Mario+Sonic @ Olympics because it mostly sold on the fact it had Mario in it.