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windbane on 21 May 2008
Famine said:
starcraft said:

There was an Rrod atGDC (i know because I started the thread on it).  Do you have some sort of evidence that that was one of the relatively new 360's?  Look at my previous post for examples of PS3's shutting down, some of which did so after Sony's relatively short warranty period............


Why would they want to use an old 360, especially with all the RRoD news all around them? I don't think it would be so far-fetched as to think Microsoft would have used a newer model, but if that's not the case, then they really are idiotic. Yes, it's a lose-lose situation: Newer model gets RRoD, someone thought it appropriate to use an older model.

So here are your proofs of the PS3 hardware failures that are similiar to the 360's RRoD:

1.) Freezing which was apparent on both the PS3 and 360, which the threadmaker himself said;

2.) Save problem with a different region game;

3.) Rockstar blaming PS3 hardware;

4.) Rockstar now taking the blame.

The last two, on the otherhand, are legit.


Some proof ya got there, starcraft. This stuff is so funny...



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starcraft on 21 May 2008
MikeB said:
Yes, that makes sense. The PS3 only has to significantly outperform the 360 at this point of time, Sony sold 1.85 million more PS3s than Microsoft sold 360s in an equal timeframe by March 2008.

The Nintendo Wii is a very different product which can easily co-exist with the PS3 within people's homes in the future. If Sony would have aimed to outsell the Wii, it would have put them into serious financial problems. Now the costs are under control well enough so that Sony tripled their profits for Sony's last fiscal year. The profitable PS2 sold well (much better than the 360) last year, this to compensate significantly for PS3 market investments.

The PS3 is really built for a long term future, its processor holds more performance potential than even the top workstation targeted Xeon processors (this at much less wattage). It will also take a while until Blu-Ray drives are standard within the PC market. Expect Sony to push the PS3 much more when a cheaper profitable slimline PS3 is ready.

The current PS3 did what it had to accomplish at this point, win Sony the Blu-Ray format war, quickly reducing the 360's headstart sales advantage and push developers towards more efficient and powerful game engine design.

The current PS3 paves the way for the success of a future slimline PS3 and eventually a new Cell technology based PS4.

I'm sorry Mike, but this is the worst spin I've ever seen from you.

Dealing with the bolded relatively in order:

The PS3 ISN'T relatively or significantly outperforming the Xbox 360.  Coming off a marketshare victory over Microsoft of around 50%, Sony is now outselling the Xbox 360 by a few tens of thousands of units a week.  We have also just seen that Sony has ZERO scope to drop the PS3's price anytime soon.  The PS3 is suffering per unit losses anywhere between $80 and $160 from what we can glean from the latest quarterly financial report, and the first price drops were financed by bootlegging out features.

As I just said, the costs are nowhere near under control.  Sony had to make a series of MASSIVE price cuts they never anticipated making.  Furthermore, your ignoring the fact that the PS3 has none of the hallmarks of a victorious console like the PS, PS2 or Wii such as large sales, good pricing etc.....

The tech in the PS3 is already outdated.  The latest PC games look considerably better than anything on any console.  Whatever may happen on the PS3 or 360 in the future will again be beaten by whatever is happening on the PC in the future.  It has already become completely clear that any tech advantage the PS3 has over the Xbox 360 in the real world will be negligible.  Hell, the biggest multi-platform game of the generation from highly talented developers was technically inferior (lower resolution) on the PS3 (GTAIV).

Please don't try to imply Sony haven't been pushing the PS3 as hard as they possibly can.  They have been hyping games YEARS in advance (Killzone 2 anyone) and PULLING OUT FEATURES that were previously described as "core" just to get price cuts out onto the market.  This industry is all about momentum.  If Sony didn't push the PS3 (Which is crap, because they have been) until a slimline was out in 2009/10, they would already have lost the fight.  You should also bear in mind that the PS3 has none of the features that allowed the PS2 to have such an enormous tail, such as exclusive third party support, huge initial install bases/market share and a pricing advantage over the most comparable console.

As for quickly reducing the Xbox 360's headstart sales advantage, you realize that the lead is almost identical now compared to when the PS3 launched?

 

 



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starcraft on 21 May 2008
Famine said:
starcraft said:


Why would they want to use an old 360, especially with all the RRoD news all around them? I don't think it would be so far-fetched as to think Microsoft would have used a newer model, but if that's not the case, then they really are idiotic. Yes, it's a lose-lose situation: Newer model gets RRoD, someone thought it appropriate to use an older model.

So here are your proofs of the PS3 hardware failures that are similiar to the 360's RRoD:

1.) Freezing which was apparent on both the PS3 and 360, which the threadmaker himself said;

2.) Save problem with a different region game;

3.) Rockstar blaming PS3 hardware;

4.) Rockstar now taking the blame.

The last two, on the otherhand, are legit.

So what your saying is that you have no evidence whatsoever that it was a recent system?  You'll recall also that it was enclosed in a small plastic casing with no airflow?

Read my posts again buddy, I didnt once say that PS3 hardware failures are similar in occurence to the Xbox 360's.  I said that Microsoft are clearly improving the 360's hardware quality to the point that the Rrod is almost non-existant in new units.  The PS3 on the other hand, is turning out to be far less than the bullet-proof technology Sony said it was. 

 



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windbane on 21 May 2008
starcraft said:
Famine said:
starcraft said:


Why would they want to use an old 360, especially with all the RRoD news all around them? I don't think it would be so far-fetched as to think Microsoft would have used a newer model, but if that's not the case, then they really are idiotic. Yes, it's a lose-lose situation: Newer model gets RRoD, someone thought it appropriate to use an older model.

So here are your proofs of the PS3 hardware failures that are similiar to the 360's RRoD:

1.) Freezing which was apparent on both the PS3 and 360, which the threadmaker himself said;

2.) Save problem with a different region game;

3.) Rockstar blaming PS3 hardware;

4.) Rockstar now taking the blame.

The last two, on the otherhand, are legit.

So what your saying is that you have no evidence whatsoever that it was a recent system?  You'll recall also that it was enclosed in a small plastic casing with no airflow?

Read my posts again buddy, I didnt once say that PS3 hardware failures are similar in occurence to the Xbox 360's.  I said that Microsoft are clearly improving the 360's hardware quality to the point that the Rrod is almost non-existant in new units.  The PS3 on the other hand, is turning out to be far less than the bullet-proof technology Sony said it was. 

 


One game freezes for some people and all the sudden it's a major problem. Sony never said anything like "THE PS3 IS BULLET-PROOF, BABY, YEAH!" Everyone else did, because we rarely have any problems with it.



Famine on 21 May 2008
starcraft said:

So what your saying is that you have no evidence whatsoever that it was a recent system?  You'll recall also that it was enclosed in a small plastic casing with no airflow?

Read my posts again buddy, I didnt once say that PS3 hardware failures are similar in occurence to the Xbox 360's.  I said that Microsoft are clearly improving the 360's hardware quality to the point that the Rrod is almost non-existant in new units.  The PS3 on the other hand, is turning out to be far less than the bullet-proof technology Sony said it was. 

 


Yeah, it was enclosed in a small plastic casing, with holes on the sides and one in the middle for airflow. All the other 360s worked fine, but this one just had a bad case of airflow. That one particular 360 needed some liquid nitrogen in the back.

There were two likely scenarios regarding what happened; pick your poison.

Don't try to weasel your way out of this one:

The funny thing is, over the last few months we've had far more reports of PS3's failing than 360's. Whilst Microsoft is clearly showing success in bringing their failure rate down (to the point that I haven't heard a single example of a post-October manufactured console Rroding), the PS3 is proving to be poorly receptive to software updates, certain games (GTAIV, AC) and disk errors.

The funny thing is you didn't say they were similar in occurence, rather, the PS3s now break down more easily than 360s.

Software updates did not break PS3s, which is what you intended. They may not have fixed the problem, but they certainly didn't break them. If that were the case, don't you think Sony would be liable?

AC had a fault and was corrected by Ubisoft, just like Rockstar made and still are trying to correct theirs.

The most clear-cut one that you have is the disk read error, but even with that, you mean to tell me they are similar in occurence with the 360's RRoD?



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starcraft on 21 May 2008
windbane said:
 

One game freezes for some people and all the sudden it's a major problem. Sony never said anything like "THE PS3 IS BULLET-PROOF, BABY, YEAH!" Everyone else did, because we rarely have any problems with it.

I don't recall saying it was a massive problem?  All I said was that for the last few months, we've heard more cases of the PS3 stuffing up than the 360............

 



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windbane on 21 May 2008

I get disc read error with Brawl sometimes.



windbane on 21 May 2008
starcraft said:
windbane said:
 

One game freezes for some people and all the sudden it's a major problem. Sony never said anything like "THE PS3 IS BULLET-PROOF, BABY, YEAH!" Everyone else did, because we rarely have any problems with it.

I don't recall saying it was a massive problem?  All I said was that for the last few months, we've heard more cases of the PS3 stuffing up than the 360............

 


Half your links were about Rockstar. You accused Sony of claiming their hardware was bullet-proof. However, that would be a much better PR move than "things break."



tombi123 on 21 May 2008

@Starcraft

Rockstar are not 'highly talented' developers, they are completely crap at coding. GTA games on the PS2 always had bugs and Bully on the 360 is also buggy as hell. Rockstar are probably the worst big name developer for coding.

Also the majority of sites, IGN for example, said that GTA4 looks slightly better on the PS3...



starcraft on 21 May 2008
Famine said:
 

Yeah, it was enclosed in a small plastic casing, with holes on the sides and one in the middle for airflow. All the other 360s worked fine, but this one just had a bad case of airflow. That one particular 360 needed some liquid nitrogen in the back.

There were two likely scenarios regarding what happened; pick your poison.

Don't try to weasel your wat out of this one:

The funny thing is, over the last few months we've had far more reports of PS3's failing than 360's. Whilst Microsoft is clearly showing success in bringing their failure rate down (to the point that I haven't heard a single example of a post-October manufactured console Rroding), the PS3 is proving to be poorly receptive to software updates, certain games (GTAIV, AC) and disk errors.

The funny thing is you didn't say they were similar in occurence, rather, the PS3s now break down more easily than 360s.

Software updates did not break PS3s, which is what you intended. They may not have fixed the problem, but they certainly didn't break them. If that were the case, don't you think Sony would be liable?

AC had a fault and was corrected by Ubisoft, just like Rockstar made and still are trying to correct theirs.

The most clear-cut one that you have is the disk read error, but even with that, you mean to tell me they are similar in occurence with the 360's RRoD?

I'm going to ask you one more time to either provide some quantitative evidence that the GDC Rrod Xbox 360 was a recent model, or to straight-out acknowledge that you don't know if it was or not?

I also didn't say that the PS3 now breaks down more than the Xbox 360, but that we have heard more reports of it in the last few months.  Do you dispute that?

As for software updates and gaming software breaking PS3's?  Sony IS liable.  Didn't you read the threads?  Sony has replaced the ones that were in warranty, and charged to repair the ones that had disk errors or GTAIV problems and were out of warranty.  

As for your final question, I haven't made a single sweeping statement about actual failure rates, but simply challenged the misconception that Rrod is more than a rare occurence in new Xbox 360's.  But as you DO seem to be making sweeping statements, how about you back them up with some evidence? 

 



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