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boden12 said:

The greenpeace "scores" are the most misleading numbers since that BS study which showed how Wii sales would actually go negative.  The Wii uses about 1/10th as much power as a PS3 or 360--or put another way, 10 Wii's use as much power as one 360 or PS3.  So tell me again how the Wii scores a 0...

The plastics issue is nothing compared to the amount of wattage the PS3 and 360 drain the grid of. 

 Assuming the Wii goes on to sell 150 million consoles total LTD the total install base would use less power than if both MS and Sony STOPPED MAKING THEIR CONSOLES NOW and only the currently manufactured consoles were used!!


Calm down, the Wii doesn't sell as well to the eskimos because it doesn't heat as well.



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Excuse me while i play all my systems in protest. Makes me wanna go out and support Ninty even more and buy a wii.



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lol at people upset about Greenpeace attacking Nintendo.

I might use this story for my politics exam later today!

There not going on about power consumption, they are on about the materials used, and all consoles have hazardous materials. It won't do anything to you so don't worry.

But when millions of these systems have to be disposed of in the distant futute (they can't last forever) then they just add to all that nasty e-waste that is killing out planet.

I just find it funny how people seem offended by this.




I would trust it more from another organization.

Greenpeace is not really an activist group so much as a political organization and mild terrorist group, same as PETA just not quite as extreme. I don't trust anything they say.



ToastyJaguar said:
lol at people upset about Greenpeace attacking Nintendo.

I might use this story for my politics exam later today!

There not going on about power consumption, they are on about the materials used, and all consoles have hazardous materials. It won't do anything to you so don't worry.

But when millions of these systems have to be disposed of in the distant futute (they can't last forever) then they just add to all that nasty e-waste that is killing out planet.

I just find it funny how people seem offended by this.


 

If Microsoft had used solder with lead (a supposed cancer causing chemical) then the RRoD wouldn't have been a problem. Lead solder has a lower melting point and makes more solid electrical connections. This isn't like lead in toy from china, these are internal system componets. Greenpeace is a radical organization committed to the radical environmentalist agenda. and BTW the world is not dying, well at least for another couple billion years when the sun explodes.

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I agree with most people here, the moment I read Greenpeace, I knew it was full of BS. They use toxic materials, so does a lot of stuff, but the gaming platforms are big business now so they are looking to make news. Though I do agree with them that there needs to be a way to recycle old systems and games, I know I can sell my old stuff to gamestop or whatever but I have no clue what they will do with it when they can't sell it. I would rather skip out on 1 or 2 dollars and make sure it gets recycled (and some places will even give you the 1 or 2 dollars when you recycle it because they are able to sell off the circuits and stuff to be reused).


http://www.greensight.com/CostcoTrades/Common/GameSystemEstimator.aspx

If you go to that link they will give you $20 for your old xbox, $16 for your ps2, and $12 for your gamecube and that is without any games.



While I generally support more regulation, this is really excessive. If they aren't breaking laws, you can't complain. If they want to change it, continue to push for tougher laws.




luinil said:
I still agree with HappySqurriel about this. Global Warming is a grand HOAX. Joseph Gerbils said that if you tell a big lie long enough it becomes the truth. We know that lies cannot become truth, but that the perception will change, so that the lie is now thought to be truth. Greenpace is a anti-capitalist organization who are mad that Nintendo is making this much money.

 

Yes, it is a Hoax afterall the numbers don't lie.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

ToastyJaguar said:
Consoles should be going greener if other electrical appliances such as laptops are able to do it.

Heck, the world is dying, and here we are playing games, they got to do something.

Video games aren't everything!

ToastyJaguar said:
lol at people upset about Greenpeace attacking Nintendo.

I might use this story for my politics exam later today!

There not going on about power consumption, they are on about the materials used, and all consoles have hazardous materials. It won't do anything to you so don't worry.

But when millions of these systems have to be disposed of in the distant futute (they can't last forever) then they just add to all that nasty e-waste that is killing our planet.

I just find it funny how people seem offended by this.


Even if every shred of the most frantic and irrational alarmist propaganda were true the world would not die...people might, but the world would go right on living just the same and in about 20k to 30k years there wouldn't be a lot of evidence we ever even existed. Its sheer arrogance to think that we could cause enough damage to kill this world...we are insignificant compared to nature..and as far as nature in the cosmos goes, the earth is pretty much a sissy weakling. Yet we still get our technologically "advanced" asses handed to us on pretty much a daily basis by it.

Honestly, I could spend a bunch of time writing a great response about why GW Alarmism is ridiculous but I think I will let an MIT Climatologist do the talking for me:

 

The Fluid Envelope - A Case Against Climate Alarmism
by Dr. Richard Lindzen, February 2008

 

The notion of a static, unchanging climate is foreign to the history of the earth or any other planet with a fluid envelope. The fact that the developed world went into hysterics over changes in global mean temperature of a few tenths of a degree will astound future generations.

Such hysteria simply represents the scientific illiteracy of much of the public, the susceptibility of the public to the Goebbelian substitution of repetition for truth, and the exploitation of these weaknesses by politicians, environmental promoters, and, after 20 years of media drum beating, many others as well.

Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and previous warm periods appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. During the latter, alpine glaciers advanced to the chagrin of overrun villages.

Since the beginning of the 19th Century these glaciers have been retreating. Frankly, we dont fully understand either the advance or the retreat. For small changes in climate associated with tenths of a degree, there is no need for any external cause. The earth is never exactly in equilibrium. The motions of the massive oceans where heat is moved between deep layers and the surface provides variability on time scales from years to centuries. Recent work (Tsonis et al, 2007), suggests that this variability is enough to account for all climate change since the 19th Century. Supporting the notion that man has not been the cause of this unexceptional change in temperature is the fact that there is a distinct signature to greenhouse warming: surface warming should be accompanied by warming in the tropics around an altitude of about 9km that is about 2.5 times greater than at the surface.

Measurements show that warming at these levels is only about 3/4 of what is seen at the surface, implying that only about a third of the surface warming is associated with the greenhouse effect, and, quite possibly, not all of even this really small warming is due to man. This further implies that all models predicting significant warming are greatly overestimating warming. This should not be surprising. According to the UNs Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the greenhouse forcing from man made greenhouse gases is already about 86 % of what one expects from a doubling of CO2 (with about half coming from methane, nitrous oxide, freons and ozone), and alarming predictions depend on models for which the sensitivity to a doubling for CO2 is greater than 2C which implies that we should already have seen much more warming than we have seen thus far, even if all the warming we have seen so far were due to man.

This contradiction is rendered more acute by the fact that there has been no significant global warming for the last ten years. Modelers defend this situation by arguing that aerosols have cancelled much of the warming, and that models adequately account for natural unforced internal variability. However, a recent paper (Ramanathan, 2007) points out that aerosols can warm as well as cool, while scientists at the UKs Hadley Centre for Climate Research recently noted that their model did not appropriately deal with natural internal variability thus demolishing the basis for the IPCCs iconic attribution. Interestingly (though not unexpectedly), the British paper did not stress this. Rather, they speculated that natural internal variability might step aside in 2009, allowing warming to resume. Resume? Thus, the fact that warming has ceased for the past decade is acknowledged.

Whether or not someone is a climate alarmistᅠshould have no
bearing on the strength or purity of their environmentalist convictions.
(Read "Global Warming Questions")

Given that the evidence (and I have noted only a few of many pieces of evidence) strongly suggests that anthropogenic warming has been greatly exaggerated, the basis for alarm due to such warming is similarly diminished.

However, the really important point is that the case for alarm would still be weak even if anthropogenic global warming were significant. Polar bears, arctic summer sea ice, regional droughts and floods, coral bleaching, hurricanes, alpine glaciers, malaria, etc. etc. all depend not on some global average of surface temperature, but on a huge number of regional variables including temperature, humidity, cloud cover, precipitation, and direction and magnitude of wind.

The state of the ocean is also often crucial. Our ability to forecast any of these over periods beyond a few days is minimal. Yet, each catastrophic forecast depends on each of these being in a specific range. The odds of any specific catastrophe actually occurring is almost zero. This was equally true for earlier forecasts: famine for the 1980's, global cooling in the 1970's, Y2K and many others. Regionally, year to year fluctuations in temperature are over four times larger than fluctuations in the global mean. Much of this variation has to be independent of the global mean; otherwise the global mean would vary much more.

This is simply to note that factors other than global warming are more important to any specific situation. This is not to say that disasters will not occur; they always have occurred and this will not change in the future. Fighting global warming with symbolic gestures will certainly not change this. However, history tells us that greater wealth and development can profoundly increase our resilience.

Given the above, one may reasonably ask why there is the current alarm, and, in particular, why the astounding upsurge in alarmism of the past 2 years. When an issue like global warming is around for over twenty years, numerous agendas are developed to exploit the issue.

 
 
 

The interests of the environmental movement in acquiring more power and influence are reasonably clear. So too are the interests of bureaucrats for whom control of CO2 is a dream-come-true.

After all, CO2 is a product of breathing itself. Politicians can see the possibility of taxation that will be cheerfully accepted because it is necessary for saving the world. Nations have seen how to exploit this issue in order to gain competitive advantages. But, by now, things have gone much further.

The case of ENRON is illustrative in this respect. Before disintegrating in a pyrotechnic display of unscrupulous manipulation, ENRON had been one of the most intense lobbyists for Kyoto. It had hoped to become a trading firm dealing in carbon emission rights. This was no small hope. These rights are likely to amount to over a trillion dollars, and the commissions will run into many billions. Hedge funds are actively examining the possibilities. It is probably no accident that Gore, himself, is associated with such activities . The sale of indulgences is already in full swing with organizations selling offsets to ones carbon footprint while sometimes acknowledging that the offsets are irrelevant.

The possibilities for corruption are immense. Archer Daniels Midland (Americas largest agribusiness) has successfully lobbied for ethanol requirements for gasoline, and the resulting demand for ethanol is already leading to large increases in corn prices and associated hardship in the developing world (not to mention poorer car performance).

And finally, there are the numerous well meaning individuals who have allowed propagandists to convince them that in accepting the alarmist view of anthropogenic climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue For them, their psychic welfare is at stake.

With all this at stake, one can readily suspect that there might be a sense of urgency provoked by the possibility that warming may have ceased. For those committed to the more venal agendas, the need to act soon, before the public appreciates the situation, is real indeed.

 
About the Author: Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

 

 



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DTG said:
luinil said:
I still agree with HappySqurriel about this. Global Warming is a grand HOAX. Joseph Gerbils said that if you tell a big lie long enough it becomes the truth. We know that lies cannot become truth, but that the perception will change, so that the lie is now thought to be truth. Greenpace is a anti-capitalist organization who are mad that Nintendo is making this much money.

 

Yes, it is a Hoax afterall the numbers don't lie.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

Did you also know that the website that listed where to find the thermometers was taken down because they didn't want the data gathering techniques to be criticized. NASA was the host of the list. They took it down because of too many complants about the location of the thermometers. They were close to airports, what with the engine exhaust blowing right on it. There are lightbulbs in the thermometers' case that add heat directly to it. There are numerous problems with data gathering on this field. Try again.

 

EDIT: And what sqrl said.