Words Of Wisdom said:
Back when Everquest was booming, people said that too. Funny how that works. |
Analogy doesn't work here that good. Blizzard did with WoW exactly what Nintendo done with the Wii. Everquest boom is a small fart compared to what WoW have done.
Blizzard is not a company with ups and downs like Nintendo, Sony etc so thats why the analogy isn't working. Blizzard had only ups, always.
In the present Blizzard is the only developer who can spend almost unlimited funds and time on its games.
Whatever company is going to make a MMO now they will have to do in 2-3 years with a strict budget what Blizzard have done in 5+ years with a much higher budget. So thats why it will be hard, really hard for another company to make a more succesful game than WoW.
In consoles and games that don't receive content updates things restarts so all developers start with about equal changes again.
In MMOs it's like with operating systems. Who can make now from stratch a better OS than Microsoft have done in so many years ?
Honestly I think the 360 or the PS3 are the only ones that could have a successful MMO. I just don't think the kind of people who buy the Wii are into MMO's, not to mention the fact that Nintendo's online service is the worst of the three.
360 has the advantage of install base and the fact that everyone has a headset.
PS3 has the advantage of no lock-outs on third-party mice or keyboards plus an in-house MMO team as well as a contract with NCSoft.
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FaithRaven said:
And WoW being surpassed by a MMO not developed by Blizzard has less chances of happening than PS3 passing Wii in sales, which I find impossible :) |
Like the previous poster pointed out Wow has had voice chat for a while.
And many players still use third party chat programs anyway ( like Ventrilo).
Aside from communication ( keyboard anyone ?) the big challenge for any MMO running on a console would be the mod community.
Wow thrives so well because it is easy for anyone to develop add-ons mods and the majority of players run several of these mods ( as a raider I run 7-8 all the time and those get updated quite frequently).
Some features of wow aren't great or wow lacks some features you would want to use ? No problem there's probably a dozen mods out there that can provide them for you !
Seeing how all of the console makers refuse to release downloadable software that has not been certified by them I fail to see how a successfull modding community would work on a console...
Even if somehow they got pass this step ( and I doubt they would, they are too afraid to release software they have not certified on their consoles for fear of hacks, virus and co) then you have the issue of community. A MMO is more than the game itself, constantly when playing you find yourself alt-tabbing to check your guild web site, some site for a quest help, read some forums....
Finally I don't think many people posting on this thread realize the kind of investment a MMO is and how much work it is to keep the playerbase happy and occupied.
Have you ever played the same game for 2 years in a row, an average of over 10 hours a week ( it's more like 20 hours a week for a lot of wow players). Do you see yourself doing that on a console MMO ?
PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !
PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !
| Soriku said: I wonder what type of MMOs they could make if they actually decide to make some. Pokemon? Zelda? A totally new IP? |
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If Nintendo will, it has to be a popular franchise... Like Pokemon, Fire Emblem. etc.
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| FaithRaven said: Analogy doesn't work here that good. Blizzard did with WoW exactly what Nintendo done with the Wii. Everquest boom is a small fart compared to what WoW have done. Except that the analogy of a heavy-hitter in the industry being dethroned fits perfectly. Blizzard is not a company with ups and downs like Nintendo, Sony etc so thats why the analogy isn't working. Blizzard had only ups, always. And unlike most of those other companies that put out a dozen IPs yearly, how many does Blizzard put out? What do you think Blizzard would be doing had WoW not taken off like it did? In the present Blizzard is the only developer who can spend almost unlimited funds and time on its games. Yep, WoW has ensured this. Whatever company is going to make a MMO now they will have to do in 2-3 years with a strict budget what Blizzard have done in 5+ years with a much higher budget. So thats why it will be hard, really hard for another company to make a more succesful game than WoW. You act like it's never happened before. Not all the big players in the industry were always thus. All it takes is for one developer to put the right spin on an old idea or come out with a completely new way of thinking to turn the entire industry on its head. In consoles and games that don't receive content updates things restarts so all developers start with about equal changes again. In MMOs it's like with operating systems. Who can make now from stratch a better OS than Microsoft have done in so many years ? Ubuntu's initial release was in 2004 and look at where they are now. Its popularity has gone through the roof since they positioned themselves as the user-friendly linux distro. They're not going to outfight the giant that is Microsoft anytime soon but they're carving a niche for themselves. Also, if anything, Red Hat's strong presence in the server market proves that there is room for many. |
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Uh, I think you all miss the point, although I didn't stress the point, sorry. The story here is that creating a successful console MMO is difficult according to the EA dev due to lack of creativity. PCs are always going to be dominant in this area and he believes that Nintendo could be the company who's creative and innovative enough to create a console MMO that's wildly different enough from the rest and be successful in doing it.
FaithRaven said:
And WoW being surpassed by a MMO not developed by Blizzard has less chances of happening than PS3 passing Wii in sales, which I find impossible :) |
Last I checked all consoles supported keyboards. There would be no need for voice chat so long as keyboards were supported. Also, there are plenty of developers who are bringing their A game to the MMO market, Never ever assume that one of them can't dethrone WoW as the top dog. Eventually everyone will get few up with the non-fixable issues in WoW and move to the next big thing. I couldn't even really tell you what those issues are now, but it will seems clear as day after the next big thing.
Gnizmo said:
Last I checked all consoles supported keyboards. There would be no need for voice chat so long as keyboards were supported. Also, there are plenty of developers who are bringing their A game to the MMO market, Never ever assume that one of them can't dethrone WoW as the top dog. Eventually everyone will get few up with the non-fixable issues in WoW and move to the next big thing. I couldn't even really tell you what those issues are now, but it will seems clear as day after the next big thing. |
That was true 10 years ago..
These days noone doing any kind of raiding would ever consider doing so without voice chat.
When a guild gets created it gets a ventrilo server before it even gets a web site most of the time...
Anyway I'm sure some day something will dethrone WoW. All I'm saying is that I doubt it will be on a console.
WoW rocks because players have rewritten any single feature of the game they don't like... You can't do that on a console...
This is my UI, pretty much everything you see on it aside from the chat box at the bottom doesn't ship with Wow.( I know can't see much, stupid resize...)
It's all developped by the modding community..
PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !
PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !
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