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NJ5 said:
konnichiwa said:
Euhm Kojima didn't wrote in english...

Someone translated in Japanese.....If you could understand Japanese you know that Kojima always speak very confusing it is almost impossible to translate that without a error...

If he didn't write in English then the translator who wrote this new piece did a piss poor job. At least for me, these new quotes don't clear up the issue at all, they only make it seem like the original translation was good enough.

 


The guy clearly speaks in circles in Japanese, which is hard to translate well as it is so I wouldn't so much say 'piss poor' as that the guy is hard to translate.

On the other hand what he's saying seems clear enough to me so I'll lay it out below:

1) when designing MGS4 he didn't think about HW right away but what he wanted in title only (not uncommon approach whether for games, films or books)

2) then, as they explored the design concepts with tests, and began looking at how to translate the design to the actual intended HW (PS3) it began to be clear that not everything was going to be feasible

3) as a result of 2) a final design was settled and developed (no doubt with multiple loops as they learnt HW and found other issues plus things they could do they thought they couldn't originally)

4) Once game is locked final optimization would take place (or still is)

So what he's saying is no different than (if you look online) Epic talking about locking in GoW features, dealing with no HDD and working out how to balance that loss with streaming data, etc. or any other major game (all of which will have almost certainly lost features originally thought about early on due to HW constraints).

The issue was that his comments on the matter (delivered with Japanese mix of candour and reserve) were totally taken out of context in West and seen as bashing PS3, implying it had limitations that screwed game, etc. which was not the case nor (more importantly) what he was saying.

To the best of my knowledge almost every major action film and game like this will lose lots of ideas big and small as the reality of budgets/time meet creative inspiration.

As an example look at AC - that damn thing is great in parts but clearly barely complete.  Reading around its pretty obvious that by the time most of the budget had been used up they had a great engine, some game concepts and three amazing cities to run around with very little to do in them.  A final effort and you have the same (very simple) tasks repeated across a number of interations and an obviously tacked on ending that deliberately strings things out by abruptly forcing you into boxed in combat a repetative number of times to give a bigger sense of an ending than their actually is.

Another example from a different perspective is Crysis.  In that case I doubt Crytek dropped much from their design in terms of scope and features of the game, but as a result delivered something way beyond general level of HW to actually run the damn thing. 

With MGS at least it looks like despite having to cut down a very ambitious scope there is still a lot of game there and its going to run pretty well on its chosen HW also. 

 



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I believe the original translation was good enough, but gaming sites misinterpretated it into the PS3 being weak and MGS4 not being good enough. I guess, when a developer is interviewed by americans they should always claim their game is fantastic. Itagaki has been doing this a long time, now Kojima grasped the concept as well.

I used to love Kotaku, but as time passed on I realized how fanboyish they were and how their satire went over-the-top. Their too proud to accept defeat, and this time Kotaku got pwned.



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Reasonable said:
selnor said:
This smells of smacked wrists and Sony telling him to back pedal. What an excuse about the translation thing. Kojima lost some respect from me.

Oh rubbish. I work with translators a lot and they frequently get things wrong - particularly from a language like Japanese to English it happens all the time. Plus the whole issue revolves around a well known truth that Japanese culture when speaking publically or praising anything is totally the opposite of US in particular and Western culture in general.

In Japanese culture you don't brag and you make clear shortcomings. The guy obviously said that in the end his original vision went beyodn current consoles and had in the end to be adjusted to what was actually possible. This was then taken all out of context and he's trying to address the issue now. As for his comment on 'its the best' what he means is in US you say 'ours is the best' (which you wouldn't in Japan) so he's just saying maybe in future he should just give the short Western spin answer and leave it at that.

 

 

 

 I ran this past my Auntie who has lived in Japan for the last 15 years, and over there the feeling is that Kojma maxed the PS3 or very close to. 

 



I don't believe this will 'max' out the PS3 much in the same way I didn't believe that Gears of War was the 'max' that the 360 could do.



selnor said:
Reasonable said:
selnor said:
This smells of smacked wrists and Sony telling him to back pedal. What an excuse about the translation thing. Kojima lost some respect from me.

Oh rubbish. I work with translators a lot and they frequently get things wrong - particularly from a language like Japanese to English it happens all the time. Plus the whole issue revolves around a well known truth that Japanese culture when speaking publically or praising anything is totally the opposite of US in particular and Western culture in general.

In Japanese culture you don't brag and you make clear shortcomings. The guy obviously said that in the end his original vision went beyodn current consoles and had in the end to be adjusted to what was actually possible. This was then taken all out of context and he's trying to address the issue now. As for his comment on 'its the best' what he means is in US you say 'ours is the best' (which you wouldn't in Japan) so he's just saying maybe in future he should just give the short Western spin answer and leave it at that.

 

 

 

I ran this past my Auntie who has lived in Japan for the last 15 years, and over there the feeling is that Kojma maxed the PS3 or very close to.

 


 Glad to know that your grandmother knows all the capabilities of the ps3? What else did she say?



 

 

 

selnor said:
This smells of smacked wrists and Sony telling him to back pedal. What an excuse about the translation thing. Kojima lost some respect from me.

Sometimes one's perspectives and loyalties influence what one "smells."

And LOL at the implication that if the Japanese public thinks MGS4 "maxes out" PS3, it must be true.  That right there probably IS company spin if anything (Konami, not Sony).



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