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HappySqurriel on 12 May 2008
johnsobas said:
HappySqurriel said:
Reasonable said:
NJ5 said:

@Reasonable: I think it's much simpler than you make it sound. With so much evidence in the form of sales, we almost don't need to analyze the surrounding factors you mentioned. Of course, there are some segments in which the Wii doesn't compete (High-def movies for example) but the question of competition is easier than that.

It's not "neither here nor there", it's very much "there" according to all available evidence.

 


You're not understanding that phrase - it means it doesn't matter how you spin the factors to suit yourself the truth is plain : in this case that they're competing.

Given that total of HD consoles sold is actually higher than Wii (although adjusting for 360 time lead its more of a 40% HD 60% Wii split at the present) I think that point number 1) I made is actually pretty massive. A vast number of gamers want HD which means that while they may purchase a Wii it will not be their only console - which is going to change the ratio relationship in a way not evident last gen when I believe a majority of gamers settled for one console.

 

 


One thing to consider is that the "Vast Number" of gamers who want HD are probably the most likely to be early adopters; and the Wii's ability to outsell the XBox 360 and PS3 combined since its release, and to go from 0% marketshare to 45% in 18 months only adds strength to the argument that HD gamers are the minority.

Just because i buy an HD console doesn't mean i want HD or will even use the HD features.  Many people just buy the system for the games. 

 


I don't disagree, but I think that is another argument entirely.



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Kenology on 12 May 2008
Desroko said:

Xiru said:
PS3 is doing well. It is starting to line up with the PS2 in terms of sales worldwide and at a higher price. Stop trying to say the PS3 is doing bad, when its not. Its just that the Wii is doing a lot better than even the PS2 was, so it looks bad for the PS3. The market is growing and the PS3 might actually sell more in its lifetime than the PS2 if it can overcome the hurdles in Japan.

Wii is in the same market as the PS3/360 but it is targetting non-gamers. They have stated this many times.

PS3/360 - traditional gamers
Wii - everyone else


Yes, they are in the same market. Yes, the Wii is destroying the others in sales. But all the games I want to play are still on the PS3/360. So does it really matter?


Corrected.


 lol!  Indeed!



amp316 on 12 May 2008

They aren't competing at all. The Wii is trouncing them both. Argument settled.



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Imperial on 12 May 2008
bdbdbd said:
Imperial said:

bdbdbd said:
As what it comes to "GTA proving something", it's one of the games that are in biggest competition with Wii games by its demographic, and also a thing to consider is, that Wii Fit/Mario Kart had pretty close launches with GTA4, so without them, GTA4 might have had visible effect.

 

LOL , please let me have some of what your taking.


Call it the red pill or whatever. You could obviously need one.
So, how did GTA4 had effect on Wii? If we look at the numbers, it only gave a huge boost to it.

The thing is, that Nintendo can kill the effect of any game, released to competing platform, to its own platforms sales by releasing a game that targets different demographic. That's exactly what they did in Europe with GTA4/Wii Fit releases

 

What the hell are you talking about , that's like ford releasing a new car everytime a lamborughini came out , your not makin any sense. Wii-Fit didn't have any real effect on the sales of GTA IV and any effect it may have had was neglible.


Atleast you got that right. What do you think Ford is competing with Jaguar and Aston Martin?
So, how did GTA4 effect on Wii sales? According to numbers, it gave Wii a boost.

and in NA Nintendo put itself to direct competition with GTA4/MKWii release. What happens when PS360 gets a big "casual", Wii Fit type of game? Nintendo releases a traditional type of game and again, as much hyped as the game for the competition would be, Nintendo still would show as a big winner, since the big game didn't have any effect to Wiis sales.

Sorry maybe i'm getting confused , but how can you be directly competing with some one if your offering something completley different to the consumer . It's like 50 cent releasing his album to damage britney spear's sales.



I think you need to look up the definition of competition and then understand what general and direct competition is.




There's a huge overlap between GTA4 and MKWii demographics. I'd say they are in direct competition, as much as different type of games can be.
And again, it's about 50cent releasing a new album so that Britney wouldn't damage 50cent sales.

 Garbage , I can almost guarantee your speaking anecdotaly , GTA IV ( Blood gore , violence , nudity , swearing ) is a totaly different type of game from MKWii ( colourfull bright , stupid voices , minute violence ) , the demographics of the two will cross over to an extent but the majorit of the people that the developers are trying to target with their repsective games will be totaly different hence the games being totaly different.

And again your wrong , 50 Cent's audience may cross over with Britney Spear in parts but his music , concept , attitude is completley different to that of Britney Spears , He'd struggle to sell more than 100k albums whilst adopting Britney Spear's music style, concept and attitude in the same way Britney would struggle to sell 100k albums with 50 , their audiences for the most part are different.

I can only speak anecdotaly on this part because I don't have any statistical data to proove what i'm about to say ( unlike you who simply states opinion like it's justified ) But people generaly tend to listen to one genre of music or genres of music with similar music style whilst listening to other music of different musical influence possibly a 70%/30% split. 



outlawauron on 12 May 2008

The argument you could bring is the different focuses of the companies.

The Wii Sports crowd is quite different from the Halo, Madden, etc.



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NJ5 on 12 May 2008
outlawauron said:
The argument you could bring is the different focuses of the companies.

The Wii Sports crowd is quite different from the Halo, Madden, etc.

I specifically avoided talking about that in the starting post, in order to make it as objective as possible.

 



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mike_intellivision on 23 May 2008
ItsaMii said:
The Wii is competing with Simon, Barbie, Hot Wheels, Lego and My Little Pony. It is just a toy after all, not a true gaming machine. The gaming industry is technology driven, so a console that lacks HD graphics and media capabilities is just a toy.

 I know this is off-topic ... but Simon was inventedby Ralph Baer -- the father of videogames (the original Magnovox Odyssey and the patents for moving objects on a TV screen).

 

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mike_intellivision on 23 May 2008

Comparing worldwide sales makes light of the big delay between the Japanese and North American release of the PS2 (seven months) vs. the near simultaneous release of the PS3 (six days) as well as the supply issues faced by the PS2 early in its life.

In other words, the circumstances make the PS3 numbers look better than they might be if looked upon region-by-region.

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I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

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superchunk on 23 May 2008

I think the easiest way to prove it is to go to your local retailer and look at what's sitting next to the Wii section.

You'll probably see the DS on one side and either the 360 or PS3 on the other. Just like if you walked into the TV department you would see TV's of all sizes and prices. They are all still competitors.

People that try to show that they are not in competition with each other are just looking for a way to ignore the simple fact that the Wii is better for the vast majority of people who enjoy playing games.



DKII on 23 May 2008
Reasonable said:
NJ5 said:

@Reasonable: I think it's much simpler than you make it sound. With so much evidence in the form of sales, we almost don't need to analyze the surrounding factors you mentioned. Of course, there are some segments in which the Wii doesn't compete (High-def movies for example) but the question of competition is easier than that.

It's not "neither here nor there", it's very much "there" according to all available evidence.

 


You're not understanding that phrase - it means it doesn't matter how you spin the factors to suit yourself the truth is plain : in this case that they're competing.

Given that total of HD consoles sold is actually higher than Wii (although adjusting for 360 time lead its more of a 40% HD 60% Wii split at the present) I think that point number 1) I made is actually pretty massive.  A vast number of gamers want HD which means that while they may purchase a Wii it will not be their only console - which is going to change the ratio relationship in a way not evident last gen when I believe a majority of gamers settled for one console.

 

 


Only a few percent of console owners actually own multiple consoles within a generation.  Saying that everyone who has a Wii is going to magically want to "upgrade" to an HD system is pretty foolish and completely ignores all of the factors that are making the Wii sell well now.