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Let's see...

"PS3 has 4D graphics"
"Rumble is last gen"
"PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible"

If you ask me the "PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle" will also fall into the many quotes Sony has negated.



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Doesn't matter if at the end of it's '10 year lifecycle' it is the global leader it's still a very very hollow 'win' considering the massive lead Sony previously had with it's PS2.

As with the PS2 and PS1 I'm wondering how well the PS3 is built for those all important repurchases due to breakdown!



Of course you can't fathom where Nintendo will take gaming next; that would mean they were being predictable. And quite frankly, no industry ever gets better when it's predictable. As Iwata put it, "we can't ask our customers 'what will surprise you?', because they don't know either." Upgrading online capabilities and storage capacity is a predictable upgrade.

Transitioning from controller-based gameplay to non-controller-based gameplay is not so much so. Finding a way to make games entirely playable without any need to hold something in your hands sounds downright ludicrous to an established gamer, but would certainly accomplish the task of surprising people were it done correctly. That's only one example of where Nintendo could go from here. There's many other routes that nobody outside of Nintendo has thought of yet, too.



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Imperial said:

There are no attributes of the Wii that are "unique" to it , that's what they're marketing would have you believe and it apears to be working . Casual support can indeed be added like "Jam On Toast" , Well carefully strategised and planned application of the Jam on the toast. It's really a matter of how much resources MS/Sony are willing to dedicate to apealing to the casuals , it's by no means rocket science.

Wii - Play

Wii - Sports

Wii - Fit

All these games apeal to the basic needs of human beings , playing with one another , our weight conciousness etc . It's by no means rocket science.

I don't think the Wii is apporaching the point where everyone "needs" one I also don't think that it will become as neccasery as a DVD player or mobile phone that's absoloute garbage IMO. The Wii is an advancement in gaming but not to the extent where every household will have one.

I think the future of this phenomenom is squite sketchy , excellent graphics don't work , Wii-Mote for another 5-7 years may not work the only thing I can see Nintendo doing is releasing an entirely new pheriipheral which is highly risky or just capitalising on the Wii's weaknesses ( online play , Hard Drive etc)


I disagree, designing accessibility is as difficult as rocket science. Designing products that anyone can use and feel at ease with is an art and a science. It takes a tremendous amount of thought and talent. It has be designed into the product from the core, not as an afterthought.



i think it will be reasonable to say PS3 will be a close second to the wii this generation unless something major happens.

Wii will probably win, i'll admit that, but PS3 will come close.

PS3 will pass 360...no explanation needed.

And the reason PS3 will come so close to the wii will be it will sell longer than the wii, the wii is hot now, but sales must slow down at some point. And just like the PS2 still sells decently now, the ps3 will sell for another 5 or 6 years strong.

My predictions:

1st - Wii with about 90-95 million

2nd - PS3 with 65-70 million

3rd - 360 with 40-45 million

I don't think anything will reach the 100 million barrier. At the rate its going, which is approximately 1,410,000/month...the wii would reach 100 million in 71 months (5 years 11 months approx). I think by 4 years time sales should start to decrease, and although it will be close to 100 million, it will not reach it.

Then just for fun, it would take 83 months to catch PS2 if it stopped selling now which is just under 7 years of these type of sales. But of course the PS2 is still selling and should reach at least 125,000,000 and the wii will not catch it.

last thing...sorry for such a long post



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I highly doubt the PS3 will get the lead this gen but I doubt too the fact that as the market extends to more casual gamers that the renewal rate for consoles will stay as short as it has been in the past.
So he's got some stuff wrong but I think the PS3 will last closer to 10 years than from 5 years...

Maybe it's just me but personally I feel the leaps from one gen to the next have been smaller and smaller and it's going to become harder and harder to convince the buyers to move a new console.
This gen the arguments were HD, Graphics, CPU.

One of those at least won't be there next gen.( HD standards won't change within 3 years)
Graphics are slowly closing to the point where making them better won't improve so much more how immersive game are.
And like many have pointed out on this site, development costs raised with this gen and developers will want more time to amortize all the new engines they have built or are building with this gen of console...

The main weakness I see in the PS3 at this point is the memory, it's going to be tough to last 10 years on 512M.

I can see Microsoft releasing their new console before that time though as I don't see them lasting 10 years on a DVD-Drive.

The question is then is Sony going to try to follow them or will they be still confident at the time in the capacity of their aging PS3 to compete with the new 720...( will it look like a Toyota Camri facing a formula one or like a BMW facing a formula one...)

 

 

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

coolestguyever said:
i think it will be reasonable to say PS3 will be a close second to the wii this generation unless something major happens.

Wii will probably win, i'll admit that, but PS3 will come close.

PS3 will pass 360...no explanation needed.

And the reason PS3 will come so close to the wii will be it will sell longer than the wii, the wii is hot now, but sales must slow down at some point. And just like the PS2 still sells decently now, the ps3 will sell for another 5 or 6 years strong.

My predictions:

1st - Wii with about 90-95 million

2nd - PS3 with 65-70 million

3rd - 360 with 40-45 million

I don't think anything will reach the 100 million barrier. At the rate its going, which is approximately 1,410,000/month...the wii would reach 100 million in 71 months (5 years 11 months approx). I think by 4 years time sales should start to decrease, and although it will be close to 100 million, it will not reach it.

Then just for fun, it would take 83 months to catch PS2 if it stopped selling now which is just under 7 years of these type of sales. But of course the PS2 is still selling and should reach at least 125,000,000 and the wii will not catch it.

last thing...sorry for such a long post

 

You are forgetting the holidays, things such as price drops, and color changes and nintendo is upping production to 2.4 mil, and may even more if it still sells out. The reason why the ps2 is still selling is either 1 their ps2 broke which happens all the time, and 2 it's a cheap console with cheap games, and 1,000s of games to choose from. The ps3 isn't the same kind of console the ps1 and 2 were.


Ail said:
I highly doubt the PS3 will get the lead this gen but I doubt too the fact that as the market extends to more casual gamers that the renewal rate for consoles will stay as short as it has been in the past.
So he's got some stuff wrong but I think the PS3 will last closer to 10 years than from 5 years...

Maybe it's just me but personally I feel the leaps from one gen to the next have been smaller and smaller and it's going to become harder and harder to convince the buyers to move a new console.
This gen the arguments were HD, Graphics, CPU.

One of those at least won't be there next gen.( HD standards won't change within 3 years)
Graphics are slowly closing to the point where making them better won't improve so much more how immersive game are.
And like many have pointed out on this site, development costs raised with this gen and developers will want more time to amortize all the new engines they have built or are building with this gen of console...

 There is still more to making a more powerful console than graphics. It could make larger worlds, better ai, and physics. Those are just a few. Not to mention innovations such as the wii and ds that allow for a diiferent way to play.



Those are certainly optimistic predictions from coolestguyever, given the trends each system is experiencing. 360 has already hit its stride; it's unlikely to double its lifetime sales again. The Wii hasn't even met demand, let alone hit its stride; that it could drop off so dramatically in sales so fast as predicted is effectively denying the workings of both supply and demand AND market inertia. And the PS3? Its sales thus far have not yet peaked, but they also haven't pulled ahead nearly far enough to justify such a large prediction as that for end-of-life sales.



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Imperial said:
HappySqurriel said:

In my opinion, the PS3 is/will be in an awkward position ...

In 2011 the performance of hardware which will be able to be sold for $300 will be much greater than the PS3, and will be able to have all of the features included in the PS3 (and then some); all companies will be able to look at the limitations of the Wiimote, and will be able to come up with a user interface which combines the strenghts of the Wiimote with the strengths of conventional controllers; and first, second and third party developers will be able to look at what did and did not work on the Wii and produce games which are truely immersive.

In other words, in practically every way the PS3 will seem outdated to whatever Nintendo/Microsoft decide to release in 2011/2012.


 The Wii was out dated at the  begining of this gen , it was Nintendo's innovation combined with alot of strategic genius which enabled them to capture 1st Place , I can't see why Sony could have a 10 yr PS3 if they did the same.

Graphics have reached a certain level where the need to surpass and improve is decreasing , we're already using the in game engine for cut scenes in alot of the 360/PS3 games unlike last gen. 


 
Although it is true that the Wii's inovation made it possible to compete against the PS3 and XBox 360 without powerful hardware, it is unlikely that the Gamecube would have been successful in its place had Nintendo just released a Wiimote add-on. The PS3 has limitations on how it can compete using inovation because its standard hardware has already been set.
FishyJoe said:

I disagree, designing accessibility is as difficult as rocket science. Designing products that anyone can use and feel at ease with is an art and a science. It takes a tremendous amount of thought and talent. It has be designed into the product from the core, not as an afterthought.


A good example of this is the iPod ...

The iPod's user interface is what made it stand out in comparison to its competition, and most companies efforts to produce as accessable of a user interface have failed.