Goodlife said: kingofwale said: because without smart implication, it's just another method of MINDLESS and REPETITVE motion?? In fact, I am also amazed that people would actually enjoy THAt type of 'appeal' Are you telling me you don't like mindless and repetitive motions??! Give a non-gamer a "normal" controller and say it's "A" to stab, C+D+A to stab while move, A+D to stab on the left etc and they will probably say "I'll just watch you play" Tell them there's no buttons, just stab with the remote to stab and more the remote round a bit to do other things, they will probably pick it up and have a go.

 I don't like anything mindless period, I want games that make you think, make you interested in the storyline or even care about the character you are playing.

I have no problem with replacing buttons with actions. All I'm asking is... GIVE ME good, smart implimentation of Wiimote, Give me 1-1 motion and give me consistency.

Frankly, other than a few odd games (MP3 or possibly Z&W), none of the games on Wii can claim that. 

kingofwale said: Goodlife said: kingofwale said: Let's be fair here... most of those games are multiplatformer who will probably be better on other consoles. Depends on what you're after though, doesn't it? I mean take Star Wars unleashed. The PS3 and Xbox360 versions are going to look a lot nicer, graphically. But the Wii version allows you to user the Wii-mote as a lightsabre (just about) Both have their good and bad points, but just because one has better graphics, doesn't mean it will be better  without 1-1 implimentation of Wiimote control, I'm not interested.

Had to comment on this, such a poor argument. 

Do you actually think you could participate in a real swordfight? Pick up a stick, and give another to a friend.  Tell him to swing at you at any time, anywhere on your body, with as much force as he can muster, and attempt to block his hit. 

Given a 1:1 swordfighting game, I'd love to see how niche the title would be.  Small hardcore following yes, but most people wouldn't bother.

kingofwale said:  I don't like anything mindless period, I want games that make you think, make you interested in the storyline or even care about the character you are playing. I have no problem with replacing buttons with actions. All I'm asking is... GIVE ME good, smart implimentation of Wiimote, Give me 1-1 motion and give me consistency. Frankly, other than a few odd games (MP3 or possibly Z&W), none of the games on Wii can claim that.

Yes, that is all fine.

But you surely understand that as a "gamer" you are in the minority?  And what you enjoy isn't necessarily what "non-gamers" enjoy?

And surely you must see how much more accessible the Wii mote makes games to "non-gamers"

Personally I don't really want to think about the game to much, I don't really care about the storyline or the characters.  I just want to be able to pick up a controller, get straight into a game, play for a half hour or so, then forget about it for a few days / weeks.  But I understand the appeal of more intense games.

SeriousWB said: kingofwale said: Goodlife said: kingofwale said: Let's be fair here... most of those games are multiplatformer who will probably be better on other consoles. Depends on what you're after though, doesn't it? I mean take Star Wars unleashed. The PS3 and Xbox360 versions are going to look a lot nicer, graphically. But the Wii version allows you to user the Wii-mote as a lightsabre (just about) Both have their good and bad points, but just because one has better graphics, doesn't mean it will be better without 1-1 implimentation of Wiimote control, I'm not interested. Had to comment on this, such a poor argument. Do you actually think you could participate in a real swordfight? Pick up a stick, and give another to a friend. Tell him to swing at you at any time, anywhere on your body, with as much force as he can muster, and attempt to block his hit. Given a 1:1 swordfighting game, I'd love to see how niche the title would be. Small hardcore following yes, but most people wouldn't bother.

 if it doesn't evolving hurting anyone, (and I don't think you can physically in a video game), Then yes, I would love to have a real swordfight. A part of fun of video game is that you get better through playing.

If a console have to dumb-down its control and removing the realistic aspact of it so more people will play it. Then I don't think it's the console for me.

Heck, I didn't buy DMC3 or NGS for its 'easy gameplay' 

I am pretty sure Rockband and Guitar Hero were a given. After all graphics are not important for rythm games.- Conduit is a better techdemo (and a bad one), Call of Duty5 isn't done by Infinity Wards so PS360 got the better one, and AFAIK GH, Fragile, CoD5 are also available on PS2 so it will not have much to do with Wii sales success.

But seriously yes the Wii has more sales. Yes this means more developer attention than it would have got otherwise. But this still isn't very good . Since this is the only sales result that really matters for a gamer I personally have no problems with the Wii success. As long as the big developer still develop the good games for PS360 the Wii can sell all the wiifit bundles it wants

Kyros said: You mean sales didn't result in more 3rd party games like Rock Band, Call of Duty 5, Guitar Hero IV, Deadly Creature, Fragile, and Conduit? I am pretty sure Rockband and Guitar Hero were a given. After all graphics are not important for rythm games.- Conduit is a better techdemo (and a bad one), Call of Duty5 isn't done by Infinity Wards so PS360 got the better one, and AFAIK GH, Fragile, CoD5 are also available on PS2 so it will not have much to do with Wii sales success. But seriously yes the Wii has more sales. Yes this means more developer attention than it would have got otherwise. But this still isn't very good . Since this is the only sales result that really matters for a gamer I personally have no problems with the Wii success. As long as the big developer still develop the good games for PS360 the Wii can sell all the wiifit bundles it wants

Something tells me you "forgot" the outrage by Playstation fans when Monster Hunter 3 and Fatal Frame 4 were announced for Wii.

BTW, Fragile is Wii exclusive, just like Tales of Symphonia 2. If you really believe that all the big games will be HD-exclusive you're going to be dissapointed.

I can only speak for me and I do not care about Monster Hunter. It seems to be a mediocre game even on the PSP. And I do not even know what Fatal Frame 4 is. I am pretty sure its japanese developed and targeted as well?

Which is makes it a nobrainer to put it on the Wii. The 360 is dead in Japan and the PS3 is struggling. But since I am no Japanese I normally do not care about games that are predominantly targeted at Japanese. I hate JRPGs, I am annoyed by Manga and I detest female warriors in 50feet battle robots.
Any western PS360 gamer who likes one of these things may be annoyed about MH and fellow games jumping ship but seriously I do not care.




Didn't say all. Didn't say exclusive. But at the moment most western (targeted )third-party titles are done for the PS360 and a different development team makes optionally a Wii and Ps2 version. That's fine for me since it doesn't make the game worse for me. I would only have a problem with that if the Wii was the lead platform and I would get crappy upscaled ports. But this danger seems to be slim as long as the money for the "core/hardcore/whatever you call it" games comes predominantly from PS360.

So for all I care Nintendo can conquer the casual gamer market and make boatloads of money. Doesn't seem to change the fact that PS360 have the superior game lineup (for me) now and in the future.

So many fanboys so little time well lets see now, the killer application HD console fans are talking about?

GTA IV released already, but it didnt dent the Wii, and you know what, software sells on the Wii right now even with this major hit. Rockstar/Take 2 spent 100 million dollars just to promote/develop this game. Do you know how many dollars was 100 million right? RIGHT? And Nintendo's Mario Kart Wii just only a fraction of that. And guess what? it sold as many as the PS3 version of GTA IV in 3 days. Can you believe that? Yeah, hard to take it wasnt it?

Im over with this fanboy discussion anymore. Just brag your precious HD consoles when after E3. Thats all I can say

twesterm said: kingofwale said: I don't see how this is viewed as a "HUGE failure" in PS360. We have PS360 number 1 game of the year vs Nintendo most popular Franchise game (mario kart) and we will see that GTA KILLED it. Sure, Nintendo did flood the market with their consoles for once. but why can't they do this earlier? WHy leave those in the warehouse when they could be in someone's home earlier where they'd buy another game or two?  I wasn't going to get into this and had only come to this topic to make sure it wasn't going to get nasty but I just have to clear this up:  Mario Kart isn't Nintendo's most popular franchise, that would be Super Mario Bros.  If you want to get nasty, it took two consoles to beat one Nintendo game that averages a good 10 points lower than it. Nintendo flooded the market?  Yeah, they upped production but flooding the market is when you put A LOT of supply out there and then it just sits there.  As long as Wii's move they aren't doing anything wrong. I could have swore I have seen interview after interview where Reggie says there is no mythical warehouse full of Wii's.

 Kudos! It's refreshing to see some mature gamers disprove FUD with concise responses backed with common logic!

Anti-Wii week has turned into the first time that even tons of money couldn't raise the HD's to higher than the Wii for a week.
Halo 3 did it because it was exclusive, why would a multiplatform game boost as much as an exclusive game?

@people who say MarioKart should've crushed GTA because the Wii's base is bigger:

MK is a branch off, a SPIN-OFF of Nintendo's biggest franchise, not Nintendo's actual biggest franchise. Pretty damn good for a underdog among the big Nintendo games to come in 200k range of the so-called ''best game ever made''? Why, OoT managed to boost the N64, I didn't see that happen for GTA IV!
Don't get me wrong, I'm convinced GTA IV is a very decent, great game, but all the hyping around it made it a big joke, and that's just a shame. Now instead of looking back to ''that GTA that finally made the series as realistic as it wished to be'', we'll look back at ''the game that was hyped to the point where even the press couldn't do their work properly, and didn't even manage to beat the Wii for a week''.