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BengaBenga said:
WTF?

Mario Kart selling almost as much as GTA IV on PS3 is nothing short of amazing. It's f$#%#ing Grand Theft Auto. It's the biggest game franchise around.
Mario Kart sold only 6 million last gen, GTA 20.

I'm actually not impressed at all with the hardware boost for PS3 and 360. The biggest game both consoles will see didn't even push hardware sales over 150k.
I honestly was expecting a million-month for both HD consoles.



This thread is pretty bad, but I had to comment.

MK Wii is selling close to GTA IV on PS3... Yeah, even though the Wii has, I don't know, DOUBLE (actually, 2.5) the install base, and was still outsold by 150k by GTA IV PS3.  That's the power of GTA IV.

Notice how you didn't compare MK Wii to GTA IV 360.  Comprable install bases, and outsold 2:1.  

Expecting a million month?  Your expectations were too high.  No one expected that, except maybe leo-j.



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kingofwale said:

 without 1-1 implimentation of Wiimote control, I'm not interested.


I don't really care if you're interested or not.

But the Wii-version will have a different kind of game play to the button mashing of the other 2 versions. 

That makes it more appealing to some people, whereas the better graphics will make the other 2 versions more appealing to other people.

It's not up to you, or me, to decide which is better



kingofwale said:
BengaBenga said:
WTF?

Mario Kart selling almost as much as GTA IV on PS3 is nothing short of amazing. It's f$#%#ing Grand Theft Auto. It's the biggest game franchise around.
Mario Kart sold only 6 million last gen, GTA 20.

I'm actually not impressed at all with the hardware boost for PS3 and 360. The biggest game both consoles will see didn't even push hardware sales over 150k.
I honestly was expecting a million-month for both HD consoles.

 "GTA 20" is around 20% of Installbase of Total PS2

"Mario Kart sold only 6 million" (btw, it's  more like 7 million), is about 30% of GC installbase.

 Seems like quite the comparable stats. 


Oh, so now you're in the "attach rates are what really matters" business.
Gamecube had enormous attach rates and I think we can all agree it wasn't a big success.
But whatever you may call it now, if someone would have posted a week ago that MKWii would get close in sales to GTA IV on PS3 he would have been bashed to death.

Btw, I'd love to hear your take on the hardware boost (bolded part).



GTA4 sales first week 3.6 million - next week probably under 1 million - Mario Kart will over longer term outsell GTA4.
HW sales were dissapointing when considering the software sales were so good. !

Has anyone used the Ps3 motion steering in gta4 - comments please ?
Can you tell me
Is it as good and usable like Motorstorm ? in terms of responciveness or
is it sluggish and un-usable (like stuntman ignition).

If it's any good i may consider getting a copy.



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Goodlife said:
kingofwale said:

without 1-1 implimentation of Wiimote control, I'm not interested.


I don't really care if you're interested or not.

But the Wii-version will have a different kind of game play to the button mashing of the other 2 versions.

That makes it more appealing to some people, whereas the better graphics will make the other 2 versions more appealing to other people.

It's not up to you, or me, to decide which is better


 if it's "instead of pressing button A", you "waggle your Wiimote up and down", How is that "different kind of gameplay"?

In fact, if the control can't be implimented properly, then it just left with a game without good graphics or physics engine.

 Frankly, if you can't convince me, a gamer to enjoy a game? Good luck trying to convince the console owners and non-gamers to get the game.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor
: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
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kingofwale said:

 if it's "instead of pressing button A", you "waggle your Wiimote up and down", How is that "different kind of gameplay"?

In fact, if the control can't be implimented properly, then it just left with a game without good graphics or physics engine.

 Frankly, if you can't convince me, a gamer to enjoy a game? Good luck trying to convince the console owners and non-gamers to get the game.


Because with one you press the A button.

With the other you waggle the Wiimote up and down.

How are you not getting this..... Honestly, I'm constantly amazed how people still don't get the Wii's appeal to the wider market.



@ Benga

About Hardware:

No, the push for hardware wasn't huge. Okay, we get it, but the same applies to the Wii.

Normally, the Wii sales average 150-220k per week on a normal week. How many were sold last week? 75k. How many were sold this week? 400k. What happened? Nintendo shipped more, and stores stocked up Wii's for the launch of MK Wii. MK Wii did push Wii, but the bigger push was actually being able to walk into stores and find them. For the first time since launch, I could stroll into a store, and see a Wii on a store shelf. I was able to do it at my two Best Buys, and three Gamestops. FIRST TIME EVAR. It's amazing what Nintendo can sell if they supply us with consoles, that cannot be denied.



BengaBenga said:
kingofwale said:
BengaBenga said:
WTF?

Mario Kart selling almost as much as GTA IV on PS3 is nothing short of amazing. It's f$#%#ing Grand Theft Auto. It's the biggest game franchise around.
Mario Kart sold only 6 million last gen, GTA 20.

I'm actually not impressed at all with the hardware boost for PS3 and 360. The biggest game both consoles will see didn't even push hardware sales over 150k.
I honestly was expecting a million-month for both HD consoles.

"GTA 20" is around 20% of Installbase of Total PS2

"Mario Kart sold only 6 million" (btw, it's more like 7 million), is about 30% of GC installbase.

Seems like quite the comparable stats.


Oh, so now you're in the "attach rates are what really matters" business.
Gamecube had enormous attach rates and I think we can all agree it wasn't a big success.
But whatever you may call it now, if someone would have posted a week ago that MKWii would get close in sales to GTA IV on PS3 he would have been bashed to death.

Btw, I'd love to hear your take on the hardware boost (bolded part).


 Well, since when is "attach rating" not a good method of measuring success in a platform??
Gamecube made money, an frankly, DD is a HUGE success. I don't think anyone here can deny that.

 I agree, if anybody posted a week ago that MKWii will sell less than GTAIV for PS3, he/she would get bashed to death.

 

As for hardware boost. I'm happy with it. Someone predicted 50% max, I disagreed and countered with 150. In fact, if you read my prediction league, I put PS3 at 144K. so I don't think I was that off. 



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor
: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
Goodlife said:
kingofwale said:

if it's "instead of pressing button A", you "waggle your Wiimote up and down", How is that "different kind of gameplay"?

In fact, if the control can't be implimented properly, then it just left with a game without good graphics or physics engine.

Frankly, if you can't convince me, a gamer to enjoy a game? Good luck trying to convince the console owners and non-gamers to get the game.


Because with one you press the A button.

With the other you waggle the Wiimote up and down.

How are you not getting this..... Honestly, I'm constantly amazed how people still don't get the Wii's appeal to the wider market.


 because without smart implication, it's just another method of MINDLESS and REPETITVE motion??

In fact, I am also amazed that people would actually enjoy THAt type of 'appeal'



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor
: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
kingofwale said:

 because without smart implication, it's just another method of MINDLESS and REPETITVE motion??

In fact, I am also amazed that people would actually enjoy THAt type of 'appeal'


Are you telling me you don't like mindless and repetitive motions??!

Give a non-gamer a "normal" controller and say it's "A" to stab, C+D+A to stab while move, A+D to stab on the left etc and they will probably say "I'll just watch you play"

Tell them there's no buttons, just stab with the remote to stab and move the remote round a bit to do other things, they will probably pick it up and have a go.