Immersivness is only a single factor of a games overall quality , so why you comparing it to sales performance is beyond me...

I said Graphics "Contribute" to immersivness , GTA is actualy one of the most immersive games on the PS3/360 because of the level of detail it's able to achieve , the open world and active enviroment all contribute to the immersivness of the game.

 Wii Sports is hardly immersive , and it doesn't need to be either , Immersive =/= Sales. I think your definition of immersive is slightly messed up.

 How many times has the word been said in this thread lol.
 

I didn't look for very long ( 3 minutes in total ) before posting all the pics that you see now , it was pretty much random selection , if the Wii screenshots didn't look to good in your opinion then I suggest you do a better comparison.

Okami is a very abstact game , using your definition I think the level in a realistic looking game would be higher than that in an abstract , unique looking game.

Edit : I could have easily shown an in game screen shot of similar or superior quality. 

 Then answer me, which game was more immersive, SotC or Halo 3, GoW or Ninja Gaiden Zigma??, this gen is full of nice graphics games, but there is more examples of great games with poor graphics with high levels of immersive gameplay, Wii sport is the best example, the success is not for the graphics, is for the immersion caused by the the new way of interaction...

 GTA series is a nice example too, with poor graphics the game provides a great level of immersion due to the interaction and the history...

I don't even think your reading my post's properly. I said graphics "contribute" to immersivness I didn't say graphical abiliity definesthe level of immersivness. But crappy graphics deprive the the immersivness of the game because or eyes are starting to adjust to HD level graphics.

 There are many factors which affect immersivness.

Audio

Voice Acting

Graphics ( A major factor)

Level of Detail

Story Line

Gameplay

User involvment

Wii Sports is an interactive game !!!  Interactivity contributes to immersion but it also doesn't define the level of immersion in a game. The more interactive a game is the less immersive it can be , interactivity requires concious thought , concious thought make you feel more external to the game.

 GTA has similar levels of interaction to the average game , like I said before , the believability of the GTA world , the enviroments ,storyline ,  gameplay , audio , graphics , level of detail are all contributing factors.

@Million

You have the wierdest way of agreeing with people, and it's annoying because I had to re read that about
3 times before I realized you weren't being a wise ass.

Wait you were agreeing with me right? =P

Ok anyway that's my point and beyond which is each game can go in it's own direction in the case of the Wii photorealism may not be
a direction to go, it's not for me to say but I'll say it; I don't think photorealistic graphics can be done on that system, as far as textures go, I mean they can be done but not in large dosages.

With that said PS3 and Xbox360 can't accomplish this either at least not on a large scale. Of course I mean with enviornmental physics and animations.

The most valuable reason I have for this is because they would need double the RAM of most high end computers today, and I'm not just talking about video ram I mean HD ram.

about 2.5 gigs of ram should be enough to run a GTA scale game that looks even more realistic than assassins creed, of course I'm certain the cell proccessor can concievably do that.. but that's where I end talks about that.

My point is comparing stills is like some user said above but in my own words: Idiotic beyond a doubt but people are free to be idiots.

As for immersion I have one question for you then million (I wont get back to you soon life is calling and its a nice day) what is immersion.

Cause I could of sword I was immersed into Wii boxing. Anyone that walked into the store and played it got lost in it too.

 1st, your post start to make more sense now, but you haven't answer my question... and many of "your factors"doesn't appear until this post...

Second, I'm sorry but any game need conscious thought, if not you are just watching a movie, or you are not alive, no gamer can go trought any game withouth conscoius thought of his actions...

There you go, with your last sentence, the immersion of the game is no related to the graphics alone, by your stament any game with  the same quality in the graphics department with good story line and good gameplay can be as immersive as GTA...

 Well I can't dispute whether you get immersed into Wii-Boxing , i'll take you word for it.

 All I can say is that it doesn't take very much to obtain you complete focus if indeed you feel fully immersed in Wii-Sports.

Wii and the HD consoles both break immersion, but at different points of interaction.

Both consoles are stuck with the limitations of the TV screen. No matter how high res or photorealistic the HD consoles' graphics get, they're still stuck showing an image on a 2D screen. Though head-tracking could make some powerful and immersive 3D illusions in the near future, right now PS360 and Wii both stuck with a 2D image, even if one of those images is more detailed than the other.

The big immersive advantage of the HD consoles right now is 3D surround sound. This requires the right audio setup, but it's clearly more immersive when sounds that come from behind the camera in the game are emitted behind the player. Two-channel stereo can't compete.

Wii has an obvious advantage in immersive controls. When I aim the Wiimote differently in MP3, Samus similarly changes her aim in the fantasy world. When I point and squeeze the trigger, she points and squeezes the trigger. Thumbsticks and button presses add a level of abstraction that distance the player from their in-game avatar, and obviously, the Wii is still somewhat bound by these limitations for most games.

I hate semantics arguements, but I disagree with your usage of the word immersion, swyggi. When you talk about how players can get more immersed in the game if their arms don't get tired when they swing a sword around, well, to me that's abstraction, not immersion. It's a disconnect with the game world, because swinging a sword around is in fact tiring.

I think a better word might be escapism. Letting your in-game avatar do all the hard work while you comfortably tap buttons on your couch isn't immersive, but it does allow you to escape the physical limitations of your own body to a greater degree.

Most immersive game ever?

in no particular order; systemshock2, deusex, nwn, kotor, guildwars
prophesies, morrowind, dukenukem3d, darkforces and jedi knight sequels,
elite forces, syndicate, american mcgee's alice, severance blade of
darkness, hl1+2+ep1, mazpayne1+2, vampire the masqerade.

Ultima Underworld I. For several days straight I was 'LIVING' in the
Abyss and when I had to sleep, well, I was still there...!

Half-Life series, esp. HL2...this definitely tops the list -- Valve
nailed the post-invasion atmosphere by setting the events in Eastern
Europe and mixing up the locales (the original Black Mesa was a fun
romp, too)

AvP2...I can still hear that muffled Marine machine gun blasting away
Alien parts

SS2...alien collective + limited pick-ups + demented antagonist =
survival horror bliss!

Thief series...still enjoy Garrett's commentary

Doom 3: RoE...I know, I know, but I love the Grabber and the
double-barrel shotgun

Oblivion...create your own adventure and deftly place arrows in your enemies

Even bits of Far Cry and Halo...when they turned down the cheesiness

 

Dungeon Master on the Amiga.

 

#1 : Unreal. Never did a game drag me in so much. Music, graphics,
enemies, landscapes etc etc - I've never experienced that since. Who
can ever forget the approach to the Nali tower? The underground river
ride, the first meeting with the Skaarj. I could go on. I started to
love those Nali guys! I was there. Excellent.

#2 : System Shock 2. Except for the plastic guns ..... thanks Werner ...

 

Most immersive--Diablo 2/LoD, undoubtedly, followed closely by Falcon 3.0,
since genre's irrelevant. They're the only games I've ever played that
stayed on my drive for years. Privateer could perhaps have been a player
here, too, had there simply been more to it. I doubt I've ever been so
totally immersed in a game as that one, but it was only for days. 

 

SS2 and the first Thief game.

 

All of them are opinions and nearly none are related to the graphics alone... more are related to the atmosphere and interaction...