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Words Of Wisdom on 01 May 2008
RolStoppable said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:
Defending the Bioware founder for saying "Games without a story aren't games", all -craft games are the same game with a different coat (something like that, I don't remember it exactly word for word), people may start to think that all Wii games are bad...

What's up next, Words of Wisdom?

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LordTheNightKnight on 01 May 2008

"You may be right in the number of people it would lose... how many would it take to "tank the Wii?" I'm under the impression that Nintendo is already well ahead of schedule in meeting its financial objectives. Even were the Wii to drop like a rock, could it even "tank" at this point?"

Then with the Wii doing so well, and with the low likelyhood of new gamers lost to shovelware, I really think you have little to worry about.

If this site was around during the PS1 years, and the early PS2 years, you would see that shovelware was just as rampant.



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dib8rman on 01 May 2008

The problem here is that both of you guys are going for conclusions, I missed the part where you analyzed your conclusions - it seemed like reasonable assumption vs reasonable assumption.

Clarification maybe? ie - what is shovel ware?



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Words Of Wisdom on 01 May 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You may be right in the number of people it would lose... how many would it take to "tank the Wii?" I'm under the impression that Nintendo is already well ahead of schedule in meeting its financial objectives. Even were the Wii to drop like a rock, could it even "tank" at this point?"

Then with the Wii doing so well, and with the low likelyhood of new gamers lost to shovelware, I really think you have little to worry about.

If this site was around during the PS1 years, and the early PS2 years, you would see that shovelware was just as rampant.

Definitely.  Probably even more so during those years if there's any truth to the belief that Wii development costs more than PS2 development.



luinil on 01 May 2008

Congratz. It seems that this argument has been settled.



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LordTheNightKnight on 01 May 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You may be right in the number of people it would lose... how many would it take to "tank the Wii?" I'm under the impression that Nintendo is already well ahead of schedule in meeting its financial objectives. Even were the Wii to drop like a rock, could it even "tank" at this point?"

Then with the Wii doing so well, and with the low likelyhood of new gamers lost to shovelware, I really think you have little to worry about.

If this site was around during the PS1 years, and the early PS2 years, you would see that shovelware was just as rampant.

Definitely. Probably even more so during those years if there's any truth to the belief that Wii development costs more than PS2 development.


Well even if you went by PS2 specs, you'd have to develop for a new form of control, while the PS2 was traditional. 



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Words Of Wisdom on 01 May 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

Definitely. Probably even more so during those years if there's any truth to the belief that Wii development costs more than PS2 development.


Well even if you went by PS2 specs, you'd have to develop for a new form of control, while the PS2 was traditional.


Apparently the PS2 had quirks that made it difficult to program for at first though.  I wonder how its API and the Wii's compare in terms of ease of use.  If the Wii is by default easier to program, that may be a balancing factor.



MaxwellGT2000 on 01 May 2008

"Out of the 189 Wii games released, 37 percent have been ranked "poor" with an average ranking of 60 percent or lower, while 11 percent are "good" with an average ranking of 80 percent or higher. That 11 percent is 20 games — four of which are PS2/GameCubes ports. Those 16 games, though, are pretty dang great. The rest is... Nintendo Seal of Quality anyone?"

70 games = 60 or lower which means about 120 games with 61 or higher... so still more games are average to good over crummy.... and with Game Rankings PS3 at 93 reviewed titles... so... 120 decent games dwarf the whole library of games on a console released the same time...



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chefsean on 01 May 2008

Took a look at the PS2 numbers and it's roughly
320 good games (80% and up)
494 crap games (60% and lower).
Out of the roughly 1547 total games out so far that's:
20.7% good
31.9% crap



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noname2200 on 01 May 2008
chefsean said:
Took a look at the PS2 numbers and it's roughly
320 good games (80% and up)
494 crap games (60% and lower).
Out of the roughly 1547 total games out so far that's:
20.7% good
31.9% crap

 Psh. You people and your precious "numbers." Back in my day, we based our arguments on anecdotes and ingrained beliefs, while we walked twelve miles uphill to and from school, in a blizzard, each day, and we liked it, dammit!