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BraLoD 20 hours ago
Chrkeller said:
BraLoD said:

That 8.4M number was from PS5 first year, one year before it hit PC.

If it was selling 8.4M on PC Sony would hard pressed to never take it away from PC lol

Fair correction and the data is hard to find, but per Gamespot report:

"In total, the report said Sony's five top-selling PC releases on Steam have passed 43 million copies sold collectively. The gross revenue from these sales reportedly amounted to $1.5 billion. This includes $1.2 billion for Sony and Valve's cut of $350 million or more. "

I mean my overall point stands...  Sony is making over a billion from PC.  Which is why I don't trust this rumor tbh.  I would be shocked if Sony drops PC support, way too much in easy money.

A lot of it comes from Helldivers 2, which will stay on PC, like Marathon and so on, Sony is making the decision to leave those to profit there.

As far I as remember Horizon Zero Dawn was the best selling Playstation game (excluding live service) on PC and it was the very first one. Sounds like it was getting less relevant and not more, which could be part of the decision reported today.

This is not a rumor btw, it's a report from a journalist that literally I haven't seem get anything wrong, as far as I know from here for several years now, you can 100% expect this decision to be made official from Sony soon enough.



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sc94597 20 hours ago

I think this is solving the correct problem (few first-party titles), with the wrong solution (making the few first-party titles exclusive to PlayStation hardware.) 

The problem is that there aren't many (and stagnating diversity in) Sony first-party games compared to prior generations, not that they've lost exclusivity (especially given that most Sony first party titles are timed-exclusives anyway.) Sure, not porting to PC might help with resource allocation, but you could have alternatively just had port-focused studios do that job, like the one they just killed after aquiring, and get most of those savings. 

There is also a risk in that Sony probably doesn't have the market power to shift the trend of hardware-agnosticism for video games. They won't want to have an under-developed ecosystem on other hardware in the medium-term future (say, by 2033.) This sets them back. 

Unless they can ramp up first party production and go the full Nintendo-route, chiseling out a niche, in that area - I can't see this retraction being much of a success. 



-Adonis- 19 hours ago

Good.



Blood_Tears 19 hours ago
Chrkeller said:
Blood_Tears said:

Spiderman 2 sold 10M on PC?  FW at 8.4M? Where the hell are you getting this data?

I think those numbers are likely total sales, not just PC.  I can't find exact sales, at least not from sites I trust.  But there are tons of reports that Sony has made over a billion from Steam, so while the numbers lack accuracy, my point stands.

Yes HD2 had 13M copies sold on PC thus far which takes a huge chunk of the overall numbers made on PC. As of 3 months ago, Spiderman 2 sold 700k on Steam.

They have released about 20 games on PC over the last 6 years or so and that revenue split with all of them was less than 2% of their overall revenue this gen. 



Chrkeller 19 hours ago
BraLoD said:
Chrkeller said:

Fair correction and the data is hard to find, but per Gamespot report:

"In total, the report said Sony's five top-selling PC releases on Steam have passed 43 million copies sold collectively. The gross revenue from these sales reportedly amounted to $1.5 billion. This includes $1.2 billion for Sony and Valve's cut of $350 million or more. "

I mean my overall point stands...  Sony is making over a billion from PC.  Which is why I don't trust this rumor tbh.  I would be shocked if Sony drops PC support, way too much in easy money.

A lot of it comes from Helldivers 2, which will stay on PC, like Marathon and so on, Sony is making the decision to leave those to profit there.

As far I as remember Horizon Zero Dawn was the best selling Playstation game (excluding live service) on PC and it was the very first one. Sounds like it was getting less relevant and not more, which could be part of the decision reported today.

This is not a rumor btw, it's a report from a journalist that literally I haven't seem get anything wrong, as far as I know from here for several years now, you can 100% expect this decision to be made official from Sony soon enough.

Hell 2 is roughly 28% of their top 5 games on Steam, which means the other title still pulled in $850,000,000...  seems like a chunk of change to me.  

I get he is a reliable journalist, but until it is confirmed I will keep hope.  I just don't see Sony walking away from $850,000,000+.  Not when hardware costs are rising.  But I could easily be wrong.

edit

sc94597 said it better than I could.  I personally think his point is spot on.  



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Cerebralbore101 19 hours ago
Good. In the long term, it would have hurt the brand. 
Chrkeller said:
BraLoD said:

Fordibben West sold nearly double than Zero Dawn? Doesn't sound likely. Where is this data from?

Google.  Hard to find a single site with numbers.  

I am skeptical of the numbers as well, I certainly wouldn't swear to the accuracy.  Especially spider man 2.  But either way, the point is Steam is providing Sony with a bare minimum of hundreds of millions.  

Gotta do more legwork than just asking Google or A.I. 



Chrkeller 19 hours ago
Cerebralbore101 said:
Good. In the long term, it would have hurt the brand. 
Chrkeller said:

Google.  Hard to find a single site with numbers.  

I am skeptical of the numbers as well, I certainly wouldn't swear to the accuracy.  Especially spider man 2.  But either way, the point is Steam is providing Sony with a bare minimum of hundreds of millions.  

Gotta do more legwork than just asking Google or A.I. 

I did.  Plenty of articles pointing out $1,200,000,000 for Sony via Steam.  



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Cerebralbore101 19 hours ago
Chrkeller said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Good. In the long term, it would have hurt the brand. 

Gotta do more legwork than just asking Google or A.I. 

I did.  Plenty of articles pointing out $1,200,000,000 for Sony via Steam.  

Knowing which articles to trust and which are junk is an art in itself. Get a book like this and read it. https://www.amazon.com/Information-Literacy-Essential-Skills-Age/dp/1591581435



IcaroRibeiro 19 hours ago
Chrkeller said:
Blood_Tears said:

Good for Sony for making this decision. All gen long, people like to dunk on them for no exclusives and said they are ruining the value of their console.

Now that Sony made this decision, it should help create more console value for them. Then when they launch the handheld at some point they will get the portable player back as well in their ecosystem.

The data is in, people just are not buying enough of Sony's PC games. Time for a strategy shift.

Zero Dawn4,500,000
God of War4,200,000
Days Gone3,400,000
Spiderman 2,700,000
Spiderman 210,000,000
Ragnarok1,200,000
Rift Apart2,700,000
Forbidden West8,400,000
Stellar Blade3,000,000
1,203,000,000

At $30 a sale, which is a low ball, I am coming up with Sony making 1.2 billion from Steam...  not sure why that is consider "not buying."  Seems like some good money to me.  

Edit

Steam takes 30%, which I didnt factor in, given $30 per game is a highly conservative estimate.

Those numbers are totally off. Specially Forbidden West and Spider 2, they both sold significantly less than the first entries 

Overall player count for Sony games are decreasing across the board on PC, Sony failed to create an audience for their games on Steam



Kyuu 19 hours ago
Cerebralbore101 said:
Chrkeller said:

I did.  Plenty of articles pointing out $1,200,000,000 for Sony via Steam.  

Knowing which articles to trust and which are junk is an art in itself. Get a book like this and read it. https://www.amazon.com/Information-Literacy-Essential-Skills-Age/dp/1591581435

I don't trust the source either, but I wouldn't say the number is unrealistic. Sony ported a ton of games to PC over 6 years~ and Helldivers 2 alone may have generated some $500 million or more. Horizon 1, God of War 2018, Spider-Man 1, Stellar Blade, and Ghost of Tsushima all seem to be multi-million sellers on PC. The other games underperformed but they should add up to over a billion $.