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SvennoJ said:
Chrkeller said:

Genuine question, anybody can answer, and I won't argue back.  Would the world be better or worse if Iran developed nukes?  Sincere question and should be easy to answer.  

And as said before, I get the anti US sentiment, I have it to a large degree as well.  

Short term yes. If Iran had actually developed nukes like North Korea, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

Long term, of course not, nukes are a liability and even if Iran wouldn't use them, they can always fall in worse hands. Plus having nukes apparently makes countries think they can do whatever they want, US, Russia, Israel in particular. Iran would feel more emboldened as well.

However none of what Trump is doing is making the world more safe, only making more countries determined to pursue nuclear weapons as a deterrent. 

That is a crazy take imo....

You don't want madmen to have nukes.
Iran and its leadership are not stable, or always of sound mind.
Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) keeps the world from falling apart, due to nuclear winter and nukes flying everywhere.
All it takes is one, very determined islamist, that wants to see the world fall apart, and views it as his sacrifice to blow the world up (with all the unbelievers in it).

The fact that North Korea has like 50-60 nukes, is horrible enough as is.
Them constantly trying to make better and further reaching intercontinental ballistic missiles, is not a good thing.
The fact that they can reach like California if they wanted too..

We don't want Iran to have nukes, right? I certainly don't.



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Chrkeller said:

It shocks me that one of the biggest promoters of world terrorism was clearly and undeniably building nukes... and people defend it.

There is one terrorist regime in the Middle East with illegal nukes and it's not Iran. It's boggles the mind how International Law doesn't apply to Israel. How people can continually swallow the narrative when there has been lie after lie from them and their flunkies in the US is beyond me. As the video of Netanyahu I posted before shows, Iran has been "on the cusp" of nuclear weapons well over 30 years according them. If they were as close to nuclear weapons as Netanyahu and all of the US Warhawks backing him would have people believe they'd have them by now. Think, really think about the situation. These same people pushing this war claimed that Iran's Nuclear Weapons program was obliterated last June. They cart out this lie everytime they attack Iran and they gave gotten away with because people are too ignorant to pay attention. Although, thankfully, this has begun to change.

Side note: Do you also believe that Israel is a democracy too?



JRPGfan said:

Why do so many want to see the US as the bad guys?
Like common... 

If "scientists" that visit them, look over their enrichment and say its over 60%, one year.
Only to be denied future access to oversight, and then satellites can pick up traces of particles over 83%.... 
That does not sound like "weeks away from nukes for years and years".
Why are they even trying if they are told not too?

If the US, doesn't act, its words (and threats) become meaningless.
It erodes their "soft power". Sometimes all the US has to do is say "try us", and people/countries think twice about their actions.
You can't be saying for 20years or so, "don't do this, we wont allow it, there will be consequences".... only to watch them keep doing so (trying at it).
Get close to success, and then not act.  

And what is the alternative? I asked this before.
Do people actually want Iran to have nukes? What other option did the americans really have?

Honest negotiations, not unconditional demands and then attack while negotiating. 

Not scrapping the treaty they had and keep assassinating people in Iran while strangling the people with sanctions.



It's not about nukes, it's about Israel and dominance of the ME.

The US did nothing while North Korea was building nukes, performing nuclear tests (2006) and then getting missiles capable of striking LA.

As of 2025, U.S. officials and experts believe North Korea has advanced its technology enough that its missiles could deliver a nuclear payload to targets throughout North America.





https://www.armscontrol.org/issue-briefs/2026-03/did-irans-nuclear-and-missile-programs-pose-imminent-threat-no

In a Feb. 28 video announcing that the United States attacked Iran, Trump stated that Iran had “attempted to rebuild their nuclear program” and that the strikes will “ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon.” But when the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran on Feb. 28, there was no evidence that Iran was engaged in nuclear activities that would pose an imminent threat to the United States. Neither U.S. President Donald Trump nor Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented any evidence of an ongoing weaponization effort and, in a March 2 press conference, IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said “we don’t see a structured program to manufacture nuclear weapons” in Iran. The following day, in an interview with CNN, Grossi was asked if “the Iranians were days or weeks away from building a bomb.” His response was "no."

Trump also stated that Iran was attempting to rebuild its nuclear program, after the United States and Israel destroyed key nuclear facilities during June strikes (also without evidence of weaponization). Iran has continued activities at nuclear facilities that were unaffected by the June strikes, including the Pickaxe site near the Natanz uranium enrichment complex, which is deeply buried and could, when operational, pose a risk. There are also indications that Iran may be cleaning up or stabilizing some of the nuclear sites that were struck. But there is no evidence to suggest that Iran is resuming proliferation-sensitive nuclear activities, such as uranium enrichment, that would be necessary to produce nuclear material for a bomb.

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Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that Iran was on the verge of developing a ballistic missile capable of targeting the United States. In the wake of the negotiation of the 2015 nuclear deal, Iran announced a voluntary range limit of 2,000 kilometers for its ballistic missiles. Tehran appears to still be generally adhering to that limit.



JRPGfan said:

That is a crazy take imo....

You don't want madmen to have nukes.
Iran and its leadership are not stable, or always of sound mind.
Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) keeps the world from falling apart, due to nuclear winter and nukes flying everywhere.
All it takes is one, very determined islamist, that wants to see the world fall apart, and views it as his sacrifice to blow the world up (with all the unbelievers in it).

The fact that North Korea has like 50-60 nukes, is horrible enough as is.
Them constantly trying to make better and further reaching intercontinental ballistic missiles, is not a good thing.
The fact that they can reach like California if they wanted too..

We don't want Iran to have nukes, right? I certainly don't.

Netanyahu indeed should not have nukes. I'm far more worried he'll use them (or Trump) than any Islamist.

The religious fanatics wishing to destroy the world are extremist Christians and Zionists wanting to bring about the second coming of Christ.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric

Religious freedom group says 200 troops sent complaints of superiors using extremist Christian rhetoric to justify war

US military commanders have been invoking extremist Christian rhetoric about biblical “end times” to justify involvement in the Iran war to troops, according to complaints made to a watchdog group.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) says it has received more than 200 complaints from service members across all branches of the armed forces, including the marines, air force and space force.

One complainant, identified as a noncommissioned officer (NCO) in a unit that could be deployed “at any moment to join” operations against Iran, told MRFF in a complaint viewed by the Guardian that their commander had “urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ”.



JRPGfan said:
Chrkeller said:

It shocks me that one of the biggest promoters of world terrorism was clearly and undeniably building nukes... and people defend it.

^ this.

Why do so many want to see the US as the bad guys?
Like common... 

If "scientists" that visit them, look over their enrichment and say its over 60%, one year.
Only to be denied future access to oversight, and then satellites can pick up traces of particles over 83%.... 
That does not sound like "weeks away from nukes for years and years".
Why are they even trying if they are told not too?

If the US, doesn't act, its words (and threats) become meaningless.
It erodes their "soft power". Sometimes all the US has to do is say "try us", and people/countries think twice about their actions.
You can't be saying for 20years or so, "don't do this, we wont allow it, there will be consequences".... only to watch them keep doing so (trying at it).
Get close to success, and then not act.  

And what is the alternative? I asked this before.
Do people actually want Iran to have nukes? What other option did the americans really have?

They've bombed their facilities not long ago. They can still bomb their facilities where they are supposed to work on some nuclear bombs without killing everyone now. USA and Israel will kill thousands over thousands of civilians and caused Iran to throw their rockets at everyone around them killing many civilians as well in different countries. Maybe that's where people have the biggest problem with? 

Israel seems to know everything about everyone in Iran but they can't stop those important scientists and other people without killing a hundred civilians for one dangerous dude? 

Maybe people have a problem with USA's and Israel's plan to not really have a plan? Bombing everything if you are so powerful is easy but maybe you should have a better plan for what's next and not just a "well maybe something will change to the better or maybe the country will radicalize even more, let's just hope that bomb after bomb will work out in a positive direction". 

Telling us that you had to strike first before Iran would've attacked their neighbors but all we see is Iran throwing all their rockets on their neighbors now... so you convinced Iran to do what you accused them to do in the future if you don't attack them. 

There's many in Iran who hoped for USA helping them but if cities like Teheran will look like Gaza anytime soon, there might be many changing their mind about USA helping them if they have no roof over their head anymore. Those who lose their relatives (which are x people to everyone dying) will probably not love USA so much anymore. 

 



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Darc Requiem said:
Chrkeller said:

It shocks me that one of the biggest promoters of world terrorism was clearly and undeniably building nukes... and people defend it.

There is one terrorist regime in the Middle East with illegal nukes and it's not Iran. It's boggles the mind how International Law doesn't apply to Israel. How people can continually swallow the narrative when there has been lie after lie from them and their flunkies in the US is beyond me. As the video of Netanyahu I posted before shows, Iran has been "on the cusp" of nuclear weapons well over 30 years according them. If they were as close to nuclear weapons as Netanyahu and all of the US Warhawks backing him would have people believe they'd have them by now. Think, really think about the situation. These same people pushing this war claimed that Iran's Nuclear Weapons program was obliterated last June. They cart out this lie everytime they attack Iran and they gave gotten away with because people are too ignorant to pay attention. Although, thankfully, this has begun to change.

Side note: Do you also believe that Israel is a democracy too?

EU and the IAEA both believe Iran was close to developing weapon grade U-235.  It isn't just the US and Israel.  

I'm not a fan and would stay out of Israel business, just my 2 cents.  

The IAEA estimates that Iran had 440.9 kg of uranium enriched to up to 60% before last year's Israeli-U.S. attacks - enough, if enriched further, for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.

Nuclear plants require 2-5% enriched...  sorry, but there is one reason and one reason only to have 60% enriched.  I don't see this as debatable.  

European nations start 'snapback' of Iran sanctions | AP News

I mean the UK, France and Germany were certainly very concerned over Iran's program, less than a year ago. 

I have no problem painting the US as being wrong, same with Israel, but I do grow tired of people acting like Iran is the victim.  They were just as guilty as everyone else.  

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Young people in masses were happy and hopefull with the invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan at first...but in the end it did a lot of damage and 'unhappiness' that lead to new terrorist groups.

similar thing with the Kurds, The US has backed them a few times but in the end let them get massacred in Syria and now the US(CIA) is trying to weaponize them again against Iran this will lead to more problems in the end.

Anyway I just expect more terrorist attacks like just happened in texas

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SecondWar said:
SvennoJ said:

Exactly. Iran will know they can't win jn a straight fight. But looking at the example of Vietnam and Afghanistan, and also Iraq and Ukraine, you can cause significant problems but waging a low-level but long fight and waiting for thr US political class to lose interest.

Coupled with the inflation spike which is almost certainly coming as a result of this war, Trump could have serious problems dealing with the knock-on effects.

This moment from The Office comes to mind:

https://youtube.com/shorts/kuP0D7ROwSU?is=h8HVFNK4YclKCfEY



U.S. don't let rich countries and allys like Germany and Japan to have nukes and you expect they well let Iran in Middle East Area that has huge world oil and natural gas reserves.
This is naive and hilarious.



Chrkeller said:
Darc Requiem said:

There is one terrorist regime in the Middle East with illegal nukes and it's not Iran. It's boggles the mind how International Law doesn't apply to Israel. How people can continually swallow the narrative when there has been lie after lie from them and their flunkies in the US is beyond me. As the video of Netanyahu I posted before shows, Iran has been "on the cusp" of nuclear weapons well over 30 years according them. If they were as close to nuclear weapons as Netanyahu and all of the US Warhawks backing him would have people believe they'd have them by now. Think, really think about the situation. These same people pushing this war claimed that Iran's Nuclear Weapons program was obliterated last June. They cart out this lie everytime they attack Iran and they gave gotten away with because people are too ignorant to pay attention. Although, thankfully, this has begun to change.

Side note: Do you also believe that Israel is a democracy too?

EU and the IAEA both believe Iran was close to developing weapon grade U-235.  It isn't just the US and Israel.  

I'm not a fan and would stay out of Israel business, just my 2 cents.  

The IAEA estimates that Iran had 440.9 kg of uranium enriched to up to 60% before last year's Israeli-U.S. attacks - enough, if enriched further, for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.

Nuclear plants require 2-5% enriched...  sorry, but there is one reason and one reason only to have 60% enriched.  I don't see this as debatable.  

European nations start 'snapback' of Iran sanctions | AP News

I mean the UK, France and Germany were certainly very concerned over Iran's program, less than a year ago. 

I have no problem painting the US as being wrong, same with Israel, but I do grow tired of people acting like Iran is the victim.  They were just as guilty as everyone else.  

The IAEA no longer has access to Iran. Do you know why that is? There was deal in place that Trump tore up. Subsequent to that, while negotationing with US last year, they were struck in June. After which, Iran stopped allowing IAEA inspections. You dont get to punch someone in the face and then complain when they don't want anything to do with you. The situation the US/Israel are complaining about are direct result of their actions. The same people that say "Israel has a right to defend themself" while they blew up schools and hospitals, which is illegal, are chaffing at the idea of Iran defending itself. It's only been a few days and Israel has already blown up a school filled with 7 to 12 year old girls. The thread title "Operation Epstein Fury" is apropos. More little girls being victimized by morally bankrupt and truly evil people. Speaking of the IAEA, when's the last time they've been allowed into Israel to do inspections. "Rules for thee and not for me" should be the slogan for Israel and unfortunately for me, the United States as well. I refuse to stand with terrorist, genocidal, apartheid state, like Israel and am geniunely incensed that my tax dollars are being used for exactly that. The majority of Americans, regardless of political alignment, dont agree with this at all. We have a government that isn't respecting the will of it's people. We need a regime change. 

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