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GoOnKid said:
Chrkeller said:

https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/

72% is of all taxes, not tax rate.  

I also think your post is exactly what is wrong with left think.  Love how you volunteer other people's money and decide for them.  Lol.  

How about your worry about your money and not mine?

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

For clarifictaion, I don't want to make rich people poor. They can stay rich, that's fine, but the extent of it is what's wrong. The top 10% can pay even more taxes and it wouldn't hurt them at all, meanwhile the lowest 10% would benefit massively. The imbalance should be countered to a certain degree, not totally, but a little bit. The government would be able to provide better public services -> a win for everyone. Improved wealth distribution would lead to less crime -> another win for everyone. Tell me how that is a bad thing. 

But millionaire xyz maybe wouldn't afford his 20th appartment, yes. That's the sacrifice.

The problem is the gap between 10 percentile and 1% percentile is massive.  I'm just at the edge of 10%...  dude I have one house, not 20.  I don't have yacht.  Having a few million puts one in upper, but it isn't like a couple million buys 20 houses.  



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Chrkeller said:
GoOnKid said:

For clarifictaion, I don't want to make rich people poor. They can stay rich, that's fine, but the extent of it is what's wrong. The top 10% can pay even more taxes and it wouldn't hurt them at all, meanwhile the lowest 10% would benefit massively. The imbalance should be countered to a certain degree, not totally, but a little bit. The government would be able to provide better public services -> a win for everyone. Improved wealth distribution would lead to less crime -> another win for everyone. Tell me how that is a bad thing. 

But millionaire xyz maybe wouldn't afford his 20th appartment, yes. That's the sacrifice.

The problem is the gap between 10 percentile and 1% percentile is massive.  I'm just at the edge of 10%...  dude I have one house, not 20.  I don't have yacht.  Having a few million puts one in upper, but it isn't like a couple million buys 20 houses.  

It was an example. An extreme one, okay, but still. Nothing more. I am pretty sure the 1% can spare another few percent of their money and still be absurdly rich. 



curl-6 said:
bdbdbd said:

This "race" obsession is pretty much a US-specific thing. In a way it's understandable based on historical and cultural aspects.

Yeah as a non-American, the extent to which the US seems to obsess over race seems downright bizarre to me.

It's like they see absolutely everything and everyone through the lens of skin colour, as if this one trait alone defines us.

Doesn't seem very healthy either, as it just seems to promote division, conflict, and hate.

as an american i have seen this first hand. our preoccupation with race is unhealthy and it makes people depressed. racial division is promoted by politicians so they have a way to rally votes, its plainly obvious. 



GoOnKid said:

A manager, a worker and an immigrant sit at a table in a bar. The bartender brings a plate with 20 cookies. The manager instantly grabs 19 and whispers to the worker: watch out, that immigrant is eyeing your cookie. 

i wonder who paid for the cookies in this analogy



Chrkeller said:

https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/

72% is of all taxes, not tax rate.  

I also think your post is exactly what is wrong with left think.  Love how you volunteer other people's money and decide for them.  Lol.  

How about your worry about your money and not mine?

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

While making about half of all income

And the share of "expendable" income is going to be an even higher number. Steaks don't start to cost more just because you get a pay raise.  

Money is not a finite resource that is set in stone. It's not a pile of gold that disappears when you spent it. It gets reinvested in things. Even food stamps get paid out to grocery stores, which they use to pay workers, and get new food by paying distributors, etc.  

A lot of different programs have wildly different effects on the broader economy. High quality early childhood programs can yield a $4 – $9 dollar return per $1 invested.

Chrkeller said:

The problem is the gap between 10 percentile and 1% percentile is massive.  I'm just at the edge of 10%...  dude I have one house, not 20.  I don't have yacht.  Having a few million puts one in upper, but it isn't like a couple million buys 20 houses.  

There's a reason why most of the focus is on the "top 1%".  I think Bernie has even specifically talked about the top 10 people. 



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angrypoolman said:
GoOnKid said:

A manager, a worker and an immigrant sit at a table in a bar. The bartender brings a plate with 20 cookies. The manager instantly grabs 19 and whispers to the worker: watch out, that immigrant is eyeing your cookie. 

i wonder who paid for the cookies in this analogy

A lot of this comes down to where you put the credit.

"Business owners have the money"

"Business owners have money, because their workers made most of it for them"

"Business owners made their first chunk of money on their own, and invested it"

"Business owners couldn't have made their first chunk of money, without _________" 

- the education that society paid for,

- plenty of wealthy people got their first start because of other people's tax dollars

And lots of other circumstances.  



Group A: earn 50% of the money and pay 72% of all taxes.

Group B: earn 50% of the money and pay 28% of all taxes.


Liberals -> group A needs to pay their fair share!!!!

Lol, crazy.



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Top 50% population pay 97% of all taxes

Bottom 50% population pay 3% of all taxes


Liberals-> steal from the rich so they pay their fair-share



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Chrkeller said:

Group A: earn 50% of the money and pay 72% of all taxes.

Group B: earn 50% of the money and pay 28% of all taxes.


Liberals -> group A needs to pay their fair share!!!!

Lol, crazy.

Chrkeller said:

Top 50% population pay 97% of all taxes

Bottom 50% population pay 3% of all taxes


Liberals-> steal from the rich so they pay their fair-share

If you see it that way it looks unfair, I give you that. However, let's compare purchasing power. After taxes the top 50% have much more disposable income, even though their tax load is heavier. For the bottom 50% it's much harder to compensate higher taxes. Meanwhile the top 50% would suffer much less. The very simple principle behind that: those who CAN contribute more are the ones who SHOULD do so.

You still haven't adressed better public services and lower crime rates. In your example of board members getting the money you also basically admitted that wealthy people with power always win, no matter what it takes. Why is this fair? Why shouldn't this be leveled to a certain degree?