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Which door will Disney choose this time since door #1 & #3 were duds?

Door #2?

or

Door #4?

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 27 August 2025

PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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JRPGfan said:
mZuzek said:

Lots of male insecurity going on around here, eh?

Man, if you can't enjoy a movie because the protagonist isn't the same gender as you, maybe you're a bit lacking in basic human empathy.

Always belittle and ignore and lecture and name call.

cant be bother to argue.

Watch this instead:

"How Star Wars Turned Against Men"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEqx5yUoAk

I am not watching that lmao. That's the cringiest video title I've ever seen and just the second-hand embarassment is already making me lose brain cells, I'd rather keep what few I have than lose them all by spending 17 minutes watching that trash.

Also, I'm a man, and I'd rather not have to share in the embarassment of being included in this deluded way of thought. Star Wars didn't turn against men. It turned against you.



mZuzek said:
JRPGfan said:

Always belittle and ignore and lecture and name call.

cant be bother to argue.

Watch this instead:

"How Star Wars Turned Against Men"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEqx5yUoAk

I am not watching that lmao. That's the cringiest video title I've ever seen and just the second-hand embarassment is already making me lose brain cells, I'd rather keep what few I have than lose them all by spending 17 minutes watching that trash.

Also, I'm a man, and I'd rather not have to share in the embarassment of being included in this deluded way of thought. Star Wars didn't turn against men. It turned against you.

I am the avg joe though.... your the outlier imo (so its not just "me") (ei. you have things backwards).
Money talks. Sales are bad.



EricHiggin said:

2:00-2:30 (Don't care, wasn't made for you moment)

Then why wasn't that reflected in the movie rating or the trailers or the marketing whatsoever?

I guess for the same reason the trailers for Shazam 2 didn't include clips of Zachary Levi saying "Trump good, COVID vaccines bad" - it's not the job of movie advertising campaigns to be promoting the viewpoints of their stars.



coolbeans said:

George Lucas: "Remember: Star Wars is primarily for 12-year-old boys. It's for everyone, of course, but the biggest inspirations & themes tap into that specific audience most of all."

Kathleen Kennedy: "That's great and all, but The Force is Female now." (<-whatever the fuck that means)

It was a Nike slogan, that Kathleen Kennedy happened to be given a shirt for, at a convention. And had nothing to do with Star Wars.  

https://bentcorner.com/the-force-is-female/

It's not even talking about the Star Wars Force, it's just suggesting that women are able to do things too - women have power.  

I could understand if there was some kind of broader initiative, where Kathleen Kennedy made like an hour long presentation saying "screw men" or something. If that were the case, then I'd happily tell her to go screw herself right along with them.  

But it is ridiculous how often these complaints are just the most arbitrary and often the most inoffensive things I've ever seen, that get blown up as if they're sweeping ideological frameworks.  

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mZuzek said:
chakkra said:

But.. We did move on. That's the whole point of this article. Or when you say move on, do you actually mean "shut up and keep giving your money"?

No, I meant "shut up".

Well, sadly for you. That is never going to happen. If it bothers that much, I would recommend not keep clicking in posts about the topic.



the-pi-guy said:

coolbeans said:

George Lucas: "Remember: Star Wars is primarily for 12-year-old boys. It's for everyone, of course, but the biggest inspirations & themes tap into that specific audience most of all."

Kathleen Kennedy: "That's great and all, but The Force is Female now." (<-whatever the fuck that means)

It was a Nike slogan, that Kathleen Kennedy happened to be given a shirt for, at a convention. And had nothing to do with Star Wars.  

https://bentcorner.com/the-force-is-female/

It's not even talking about the Star Wars Force, it's just suggesting that women are able to do things too - women have power.  

I could understand if there was some kind of broader initiative, where Kathleen Kennedy made like an hour long presentation saying "screw men" or something. If that were the case, then I'd happily tell her to go screw herself right along with them.  

But it is ridiculous how often these complaints are just the most arbitrary and often the most inoffensive things I've ever seen, that get blown up as if they're sweeping ideological frameworks.  

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/cms63y/revisiting_the_force_is_female/

Fact Check:

Summery:

  • The only truth from the rumor is that the Nike campaign came before the Archer Film Festival 2017.

  • Kathleen Kennedy and the students did not wear the shirts for the Nike campaign.  (this was not just a randomly handed Tshirt + photo shot)

  • Kennedy and her husband Frank Marshall are the main trustees at the Archer School for Girls which organized the festival where the shirts have been used. Due to this strong connection and the obvious Star Wars related interpretation of the phrase, with Star Wars being the brand Kennedy manages, it is very unlikely that the shirts have been used without Kennedy's prior knowledge.

  • At the festival, Kathleen Kennedy used the phrase "The Force is female" in the context of Star Wars.

  • The very similar "The future is female" phrase has been tweeted by the head of the school before Nike announced its campaign.



As noted above, in 2017 for Archer Film Festival, she is quoted for saying "Do or do not. There is no try. The force is female." 
She was a key speaker there. This is not a nike thingy... its starwars related, they used the Shirts as marketing and messaging,
and just were happy Slogan fitted in, with theirs.


"I could understand if there was some kind of broader initiative, where Kathleen Kennedy made like an hour long presentation saying "screw men" or something. If that were the case, then I'd happily tell her to go screw herself right along with them."

Are you sure she hasn't be real? lol.  Pretty sure there is anti-male or male hate from them.

You jumped to the defense, when you didn't need to protect her.
She was not just handed a random Tshirt she didn't know about and her and friends got caught in a photo shoot.... that's not what happend.




JRPGfan said:


You jumped to the defense, when you didn't need to protect her.
She was not just handed a random Tshirt she didn't know about and her and friends got caught in a photo shoot.... that's not what happend.

Even if everything you said was 100% correct, I would still think it was legitimately insane that it bothered you.  

Supporting women does not hurt men. 

>Kathleen Kennedy and the students did not wear the shirts for the Nike campaign

They didn't have to. No one was claiming that. The festival is for women film makers, and they used slogans and sayings to support women film makers. 

>The very similar "The future is female" phrase has been tweeted by the head of the school before Nike announced its campaign.

Not even the same phrase. The Future Is Female is a feminist phrase from the 1970's.  



the-pi-guy said:
JRPGfan said:


You jumped to the defense, when you didn't need to protect her.
She was not just handed a random Tshirt she didn't know about and her and friends got caught in a photo shoot.... that's not what happend.

Even if everything you said was 100% correct, I would still think it was legitimately insane that it bothered you.  

Supporting women does not hurt men. 

>Kathleen Kennedy and the students did not wear the shirts for the Nike campaign

They didn't have to. No one was claiming that. The festival is for women film makers, and they used slogans and sayings to support women film makers. 

>The very similar "The future is female" phrase has been tweeted by the head of the school before Nike announced its campaign.

Not even the same phrase. The Future Is Female is a feminist phrase from the 1970's.  

She runs Starwars..... its NOT for support of women, that are film makers.

You cannot just wear and say things, about "the force" when you manage the IP of starwars.
Imagine if George Lucas wore a shirt that said "the force/future is male".... why you be against that?


1) The Force has no gender. It's a supernatural bodyless power that any Force user can tap into. 
2) If the Force is entirely female, then the Dark Side is toxic female energy, effectively going against the "pure and wholesome female" narrative.

^ found above on a random reddit post lol.


"Not even the same phrase. The Future Is Female is a feminist phrase from the 1970's"

Thats the entire point, and I was aware of that.
Its all leading to the same place, coming from the same place.
This is why the "force is female" shirt stuff is bad, and why if you run billion dollar's IP, you shouldn't be pulling feminist stunts like that.



JRPGfan said:

She runs Starwars..... its NOT for support of women, that are film makers.

You cannot just wear and say things, about "the force" when you manage the IP of starwars.
Imagine if George Lucas wore a shirt that said "the force/future is male".... why you be against that?


1) The Force has no gender. It's a supernatural bodyless power that any Force user can tap into. 
2) If the Force is entirely female, then the Dark Side is toxic female energy, effectively going against the "pure and wholesome female" narrative.

^ found above on a random reddit post lol.


"Not even the same phrase. The Future Is Female is a feminist phrase from the 1970's"

Thats the entire point, and I was aware of that.
Its all leading to the same place, coming from the same place.
This is why the "force is female" shirt stuff is bad, and why if you run billion dollar's IP, you shouldn't be pulling feminist stunts like that.

The festival is for women film creators. 

If there was a culture where men were struggling to get into it, yes, they should have shirts like that. Pushing for equality means raising those people up to the same level. 

And yes, everyone should be pulling feminists stunts, and people should stop being so sensitive about it. 

Last edited by the-pi-guy - on 27 August 2025