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shavenferret on 08 August 2025

Is terrorism a big problem in the world?  What can we do about it?  What should be done, even if the solution will never happen?  In this thread, i'll present a case that although islamic terrorism has been the majority of what we see in the news, it isn't always them.  In fact, the most recent case stems from a different cause.  I'll be discussing news both new and previous cases.  I invite all security conservatives and others that want to fight this murky and sometimes ill defined menace.  



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shavenferret on 08 August 2025

Fort Stewart shooting suspect was relentlessly mocked for stutter, soldiers say


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/08/fort-stewart-georgia-army-base-suspect

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This is a failure of the military to ensure a culture that doesn't allow this kind of thing, and this soldier got so angry that he decided to end his working life and the actual lives of others over this bullying. Very sad that there wasn't a place for this soldier and that this drove him to do something horrible.

SanAndreasX on 08 August 2025

I was living in Oklahoma on April 19, 1995. The people there were all to quick to jump on "Islamic terrorists" until it turned out that the perpetrators were white Army vets.



shavenferret on 08 August 2025
SanAndreasX said:

I was living in Oklahoma on April 19, 1995. The people there were all to quick to jump on "Islamic terrorists" until it turned out that the perpetrators were white Army vets.

Absolutely, that's the kind of post that i'm looking for.  The oklahoma bombing was a horrible tragedy and some ex military pos thought it would be a good idea.  He was a traitor, and i think got the death penalty.  

Terrorism doesn't happen everyday though, so i'm going to pull up historical examples as well as more recent ones.   



SanAndreasX on 08 August 2025
shavenferret said:
SanAndreasX said:

I was living in Oklahoma on April 19, 1995. The people there were all to quick to jump on "Islamic terrorists" until it turned out that the perpetrators were white Army vets.

Absolutely, that's the kind of post that i'm looking for.  The oklahoma bombing was a horrible tragedy and some ex military pos thought it would be a good idea.  He was a traitor, and i think got the death penalty.  

Terrorism doesn't happen everyday though, so i'm going to pull up historical examples as well as more recent ones.   

Timothy McVeigh got the death penalty and was executed in Terre Haute. Terry Nichols is incarcerated at ADX Florence, which is where Ted Kaczynski was incarcerated. They convicted him of conspiracy, but couldn't conclusively prove that he met the criteria for Murder One. He was in Kansas at the time McVeigh detonated the bomb. The charge they convicted him of could have also qualified for the federal death penalty, but the jury deadlocked on the penalty phase and he ultimately got life without parole. 

Currently, other than Nichols, Dzokhar Tsarnaev (the Boston Marathon bomber), Eric Rudolph (the Centennial Park bomber), Adam Fox (the mastermind of the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer), and El Chapo are incarcerated at ADX Florence, along with a lot of al-Qaeda operatives including Zaccarias Moussaoui. Terry Nichols was incarcerated at a block in ADX Florence known as Bomber's Row, because that's where Kaczynski and Rudolph were also imprisoned. He's been moved since.

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shavenferret on 08 August 2025
SanAndreasX said:
shavenferret said:

Absolutely, that's the kind of post that i'm looking for.  The oklahoma bombing was a horrible tragedy and some ex military pos thought it would be a good idea.  He was a traitor, and i think got the death penalty.  

Terrorism doesn't happen everyday though, so i'm going to pull up historical examples as well as more recent ones.   

Timothy McVeigh got the death penalty and was executed in Terre Haute. Terry Nichols is incarcerated at ADX Florence, which is where Ted Kaczynski was incarcerated. They convicted him of conspiracy, but couldn't conclusively prove that he met the criteria for Murder One. He was in Kansas at the time McVeigh detonated the bomb. The charge they convicted him of could have also qualified for the federal death penalty, but the jury deadlocked on the penalty phase and he ultimately got life without parole. 

Currently, other than Nichols, Dzokhar Tsarnaev (the Boston Marathon bomber), Eric Rudolph (the Centennial Park bomber), Adam Fox (the mastermind of the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer), and El Chapo are incarcerated at ADX Florence, along with a lot of al-Qaeda operatives including Zaccarias Moussaoui. Terry Nichols was incarcerated at a block in ADX Florence known as Bomber's Row, because that's where Kaczynski and Rudolph were also imprisoned. He's been moved since.

booyah, hope he suffered.  



SvennoJ on 08 August 2025

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.
Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 



Mnementh on 08 August 2025

Let's see. I am from Germany. Here we had in the season 2024/25 a number of 393900 confirmed cases of the flu and 1954 deaths are associated with the flu [1]. We had 2770 deaths and 364993 injured in traffic accidents [2]. We had 4 death and 13 injured in terroristic attacks in 2024 [3]. I know people feel much more unsafe because of terrorism than traffic or infectious diseases, but I wonder why? If people say because terrorism is preventable... well so is the flu and traffic accidents to a massive degree. So yeah, I don't really get it why people fear terrorism.

[1] https://www.apotheken-umschau.de/krankheiten-symptome/infektionskrankheiten/grippesaison-2024-25-hoechste-fallzahlen-seit-einem-jahrzehnt-1363285.html
[2] https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Verkehrsunfaelle/_inhalt.html
[3] https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/DE/themen/islamismus-und-islamistischer-terrorismus/zahlen-und-fakten/zahlen-und-fakten_node.html



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shavenferret on 08 August 2025
SvennoJ said:

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.
Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 

Ignore the problem and it will go away



Hardstuck-Platinum on 08 August 2025
SvennoJ said:

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.
Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 

What I've bolded, that simply isn't true. There are people/cultures/religions out there that believe that people don't have a right to exist because they are a different race/culture/religion to them. An evil mind that is intolerant to the existence of others differences is the root cause of terrorism.