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the-pi-guy said:
KLXVER said:

Its about the rule, not the exeption.

Like the Nintendo Switch(since we are on a gaming site) One of the defining features of the Switch is that you can play your games on the go.

Now you can argure that thats NOT a defining feature of the Switch because some Switches doesnt work. The battery has died, the screen is crushed, you dropped it in the ocean or it broke in half.  So you cant call the Switch a portable console since some cant do that.

Thats silly. Some Switches may have a defect, but it IS what the system is supposed to do.

Your are just arguing semantics because you have nothing else to contribute to the discussion. You just want to be right at all costs.

It's not even remotely a good analogy. 

You're actually the one in this scenario insisting that the Switch must be portable because all the other ones are. In this scenario I'm recognizing that some of them might not be. 

It's pretty messed up in the first place to suggest that someone is defective. 

No I don't care about being right at all.  I want people to stop being crappy to each other, because "it doesn't make sense to me". 

Yeah, sorry Im not a wizard with words like you who compare women to shark attacks...



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KLXVER said:

Yeah, sorry Im not a wizard with words like you who compare women to shark attacks...

You seriously think that's just as bad?

It's also not what I said. My comment doesn't even have anything to do with "women". It's just pointing out the problem with your idea of rarity. 

While you are arguing that people are "supposed" to be a certain way - and we should ignore them if they aren't that way, because the exceptions are rare. And that matters because of reasons.

>Its about the rule, not the exeption.

Again - the exceptions still matter when it comes to reality. 



the-pi-guy said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, sorry Im not a wizard with words like you who compare women to shark attacks...

You seriously think that's just as bad?

It's also not what I said. My comment doesn't even have anything to do with "women". It's just pointing out the problem with your idea of rarity. 

While you are arguing that people are "supposed" to be a certain way - and we should ignore them if they aren't that way, because the exceptions are rare. And that matters because of reasons.

>Its about the rule, not the exeption.

Again - the exceptions still matter when it comes to reality. 

Yes, people are supposed to be a certain way. We are supposed to have two eyes, one nose, two arms, two legs etc... If you dont, then you have a defect. Doesnt make you less of a human, but something is indeed missing.



KLXVER said:
the-pi-guy said:

You seriously think that's just as bad?

It's also not what I said. My comment doesn't even have anything to do with "women". It's just pointing out the problem with your idea of rarity. 

While you are arguing that people are "supposed" to be a certain way - and we should ignore them if they aren't that way, because the exceptions are rare. And that matters because of reasons.

>Its about the rule, not the exeption.

Again - the exceptions still matter when it comes to reality. 

Yes, people are supposed to be a certain way. We are supposed to have two eyes, one nose, two arms, two legs etc... If you dont, then you have a defect. Doesnt make you less of a human, but something is indeed missing.

Ok so let’s go with what you’re saying, being trans is a mental or physical disability……we’re still not supposed to discriminate against people with disabilities, we are supposed to make accommodations for people with disabilities, people with disabilities have the same rights as others, people with disabilities are able to seek out treatment.

The way the right treats transgender people is the equivalent to banning people with autism from playing sports, banning handicap parking or tearing our wheelchair accessible ramps, getting pissed when a piece of media features a character with depression, boycotting a company because it’s ads have an actor with down syndrome, denying medication to someone with asthma, denying employment to someone with hearing aids, denying housing to someone with a missing limb, etc.



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zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

Yes, people are supposed to be a certain way. We are supposed to have two eyes, one nose, two arms, two legs etc... If you dont, then you have a defect. Doesnt make you less of a human, but something is indeed missing.

Ok so let’s go with what you’re saying, being trans is a mental or physical disability……we’re still not supposed to discriminate against people with disabilities, we are supposed to make accommodations for people with disabilities, people with disabilities have the same rights as others, people with disabilities are able to seek out treatment.

The way the right treats transgender people is the equivalent to banning people with autism from playing sports, banning handicap parking or tearing our wheelchair accessible ramps, getting pissed when a piece of media features a character with depression, boycotting a company because it’s ads have an actor with down syndrome, denying medication to someone with asthma, denying employment to someone with hearing aids, denying housing to someone with a missing limb, etc.

I didnt say being trans is a disability at all...



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KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:

Ok so let’s go with what you’re saying, being trans is a mental or physical disability……we’re still not supposed to discriminate against people with disabilities, we are supposed to make accommodations for people with disabilities, people with disabilities have the same rights as others, people with disabilities are able to seek out treatment.

The way the right treats transgender people is the equivalent to banning people with autism from playing sports, banning handicap parking or tearing our wheelchair accessible ramps, getting pissed when a piece of media features a character with depression, boycotting a company because it’s ads have an actor with down syndrome, denying medication to someone with asthma, denying employment to someone with hearing aids, denying housing to someone with a missing limb, etc.

I didnt say being trans is a disability at all...

You’ve been arguing with multiple people about sex/gender this entire thread with quotes like, “that’s because people on the left keep bringing birth defects and other rare illnesses into the argument” & “yes, people are supposed to be a certain way…..if you don’t then you have a defect”

You have referred to it as a defect twice.



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Torillian said:
Mnementh said:

But that is actually a narrowing of viewpoints, if all believe the same. The study cited in the OP claims that the viewpoints on the left (however that is defined) is narrower than on the right. So there must be variety of viewpoints in some regards, even if many may agree on the 2020 conspiracy.

Actually they would have more varying viewpoints than the left on this one. As has been mentioned before, if you have one side that's just correct than the one that has some people that are wrong has more varying viewpoints. In this case the question would be something like: "Do you agree that Joe Biden won the 2020 election?" And the left would almost entirely strongly agree while the right would have a variety of viewpoints on the matter. 

Well, it is pointless anyways, as was pointed out the study used 8 pretty specific questions to gauge diversity in viewpoints and the questions seem to be fitting to unified leftist answers, so we both were basically wrong interpreting stuff in here, that the study doesn't really show. I am at fault here, I am quick to jump to anything that seems to support my pet peeve, that social media is to blame for everything. My bad. So we actually don't know which side of the political spectrum has more diversified standpoints.



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zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

I didnt say being trans is a disability at all...

You’ve been arguing with multiple people about sex/gender this entire thread with quotes like, “that’s because people on the left keep bringing birth defects and other rare illnesses into the argument” & “yes, people are supposed to be a certain way…..if you don’t then you have a defect”

You have referred to it as a defect twice.

Actually I think he means actual birth defect and intersex conditions, which is a separate thing from being trans. Trans people don't have to be intersexual and aren't for the most part. It is true that some people try to argue with intersex conditions as something to justify trans people. Naturally you shouldn't do that, trans people are trans people and it is much clearer if you separate sex and gender (which admittedly is not separated linguistical in many languages like it is in english). Trans people are not intersex (which would mean undefined or unclear sex), but their gender and their sex differ.

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zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

I didnt say being trans is a disability at all...

You’ve been arguing with multiple people about sex/gender this entire thread with quotes like, “that’s because people on the left keep bringing birth defects and other rare illnesses into the argument” & “yes, people are supposed to be a certain way…..if you don’t then you have a defect”

You have referred to it as a defect twice.

No I have not. We are talking about the definition of a woman. But if you want to claim Im calling people less because they are trans or have a defect, then by all means. 



Zkuq said:

Admittedly I've only skimmed through the important parts of the study, but based on that, I think this seems like a really poor thing to pick out from the study - possibly even because this might not have been a focus of the study, but also because important context was left out (excerpt from the discussion section):

"It is possible that holding extreme (and thus unnegotiable) attitudes on important social-political issues has become increasingly identity defining for Democrats, not least in response to Donald Trump's controversial presidency. The pattern does not imply that Republicans are more tolerant than Democrats, nor that Republicans could deal better with attitudinal uncertainty. It does imply, however, that –at this particular moment in time– Democrats and Republicans are constructing and managing their partisan identities differently in relation to the topics reflected in these questionnaire items. Research suggests that social category membership (e.g., being White, Christian) is more important for the construction of Republican identity than it is for Democrat identity (Mason & Wronski, 2018). Fulfilling such normative criteria may hence qualify someone as a valid group member even if that same person may hold somewhat liberal views on, for example, gay marriage."

I feel like having this context from the start would have greatly benefitted discussion, which seems mostly of quite low quality to me at the moment. Research in general should, in my opinion, be cited and drawn conclusions from only very carefully, because it's incredibly easy to draw the wrong conclusions and focus on the wrong things if you're not an expert on the subject.

Honestly, the entire thread has flaws and I'm leaning towards locking it.

1. As far as I can see, the title isn't even something that the study itself claims, but the title very much looks like it's making the assertion that it's a quote or claim directly from the study but it seems to be more the OPs interpretation, the title for that reason should be changed.

2. The excerpt that you picked out seems like it would have been far better to include in the OP and provide a lot more context and information around what the study is actually claiming and the point of the study.

3. The OP doesn't list anything about how the study is conducted, things that would be useful to include would be; The sample size of 396, the 8 questions asked and how the points on the graph are determined which is a 5-point scale format ranging from strong disagreement to strong agreement (Dark Blue = Strong Disagreement; Pale Blue = Moderate Disagreement; Grey = Neutral; Orange = Moderate Agreement; Red = Strong Agreement) and maybe the date of the study (2023) but that last one isn't that important.

Based on the questions alone though, I don't really think much of the study, a lot of the questions are things that I didn't need this study to tell me that left wingers are in strong agreement over, Lol. Using 8 questions, especially those questions, to come up with that title is flawed logic to me. I can easily come up with different questions that those who consider themselves left-wing would disagree over.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 11 July 2025