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KLXVER said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I don't know how it is in US, but in Brazil the overwhelmingly majority of doctors and biologists agrees sex and gender are different things, one being physical and the other being more psychological. That's why they, as community, support gender reassignment and surgery to change secondary sexual characteristics like adding/removing breasts 

The argument is pretty simple, just because something in social doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's like race. There is 0 biological and genetic evidence humans have subraces, but people still think we have different races because of things like skin color or the format of the eyes, and those believes create the concept of race because in practice people will treat races as a real thing 

So what is the difference between gender and sex?

Funnily enough both words translate in Dutch to the same word: "Geslacht". We do not separate them in my language.

The word Sex does exist in Dutch, but only means the activity of intercourse.



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Tober said:
KLXVER said:

So what is the difference between gender and sex?

Funnily enough both words translate in Dutch to the same word: "Geslacht". We do not separate them in my language.

The word Sex does exist in Dutch, but only means the activity of intercourse.

Yeah, Its the same here in Norway. I always thought sex and gender was the same thing everywhere. I think it meant the same thing in the US 15+ years ago as well. But language evolves I guess.



The Questions Asked Were...

  • Item 1) Abortion should be illegal.
  • Item 2) The government should take steps to make incomes more equal.
  • Item 3) All unauthorized immigrants should be sent back to their home country.
  • Item 4) The federal budget for welfare programs should be increased.
  • Item 5) Lesbian, gay and trans couples should be allowed to legally marry.
  • Item 6) The government should regulate business to protect the environment.
  • Item 7) The federal government should make it more difficult to buy a gun.
  • Item 8) The federal government should make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans.

These are a weird set of questions to use to say that the right has more diversity of thought than the left. A lot of these questions are inherently skewed towards left-wingers being in complete support of them, like no shit the vast majority of left-wingers support LGBT marriage and are pro-choice, no shit the vast majority of left-wingers care about the environment, Lol.

Also if I said "do you support vaccines" and the majority on one side agreed but there was divergence on the other side, I mean sure that's diversity of thought, shows to me that side has a lot of anti-science morons in it, Lol. Likewise what we see here is that Republicans are often split between two major groups, especially in America...

A. The fiscal Republicans who only care about tax breaks and making money, they may not necessarily agree with banning LGBT marriage or abortion but they sure as shit don't care enough to do anything about it, they will put their beliefs to one side as long as they're on the winning side and making money. They definitely don't want companies being regulated either.

B. Christian extremists who are anti-LBGT marriage, anti-abortion, etc. Where they may diverge with fiscal Republicans is in things like protecting the environment, improving social conditions for select groups, welfare programs, etc. But they still have bigoted opinions due to their religious beliefs and being religious doesn't give you the right to remove rights from people.

But also the study itself does not make the claim "the right has more diversity of thought than the left" in the study. Also the mapping is based on a 5 point scale which is basically "strongly agree/strongly disagree" and basically means Democrats more often selected "strongly agree" on certain issues and looking at those questions it's a bit of a "no shit" in what they agreed with.

I could easily spin the results of this study as "The left largely agrees with each other on key issues such as treating each other with kindness, fact based science like climate change, improving social conditions for everyone, whereas the right struggles to have unity on issues because they have a large component of extremists on certain issues should as LGBT rights, abortion and social safety nets"

I could spin it as "The left are more likely to believe actual facts (I.E. Climate Change) and not easily influence by disinformation"

I could also cherry pick questions which would result in a divergence of opinions on the left in America, such as "Should the police be defunded?" or "Should the government own every energy, water, public transport company" or "Should the government get involved in certain wars" which you'll find a lot of left wingers for the latter are very isolationist.

Republicans have shown me recently that they may have different views on certain things, but they ultimately will happily set them aside if it gets them something else they want, they may be some who are fine with gay people getting married but they'd sooner screw over gay people than have their rifles be taken away, they'll always put aside their personal beliefs to support their side to victory.

The Republican Party is one big tent of "beliefs" but none of it matters as long as you bow to Trump/Republican Party. The Party has Neo-Nazis and Zionists under the same umbrella, Lmao. It has anti-vaxxers and vaxxers. They are choke full of conspiracy theorists, they switch their beliefs at the drop of a hat, Republicans went from despising Russia to either not caring or straight up jerking them off because Trump was friends with Putin, that took only 4 years to change 40+ years of distrust, they went from anti-war to pro-war the moment Trump dropped bombs on Iran, they'll probably go back to hating Russia now that Trump said he is upset at Putin.

Most of these questions are related to basic human rights and improving living standards, it isn't a good thing that Republicans are divergent on these issues, if anything it's a damning statement on them. Thank God the left are largely in agreement on these particular questions is my response to this survey, Lol. Now I'll go argue with another left winger about supporting Ukraine or some shit. Diversity of viewpoints =/= quality of viewpoints.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 10 July 2025

Ryuu96 said:

Now I'll go argue with another left winger about supporting Ukraine or some shit. Diversity of viewpoints =/= quality of viewpoints.

So what different opinions do people on the left have about supporting Ukraine?



KLXVER said:

So what is the difference between gender and sex?

Sex is the biological thing. Gender is how the society sees and assign rules, it was initially based on sex but as most social things it became complicated when we have different cultures to understand. The blurred lines separating gender and sex can be observed in some societies, like in India they have the Hijra which is see a as a third gender. There is also the existence of intersex people, who cannot always be correctly assigned at birth specially in past. This creates a strange occurance where people were raised and socialized as men or women, just to discover in puberty their gender assigned at birth might not exactly be representative of their chromossomes 



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ArchangelMadzz said:

Why are we using the framing of right wing weirdos on a study that doesn't make such claim?

This was mapping the responses to 8 questions:
Should abortion be illegal?
Should the government take steps to make incomes more equal?
Should all unauthorized immigrants be sent back to their home country?
Should the federal budget for welfare programs be increased?
Should lesbian, gay, and trans couples be allowed to legally marry?
Should the government regulate business to protect the environment?
Should the federal government make it more difficult to buy a gun?
Should the federal government make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans?

This is just an indication on responses to these questions and nothing else.
*the claim "the right has more diversity of thought than the left" isn't even asserted by the study itself*

If I asked 1000 people a question on "should slavery come back" and group A all said no and group B had a wide range of Yes, No and Maybe, I wouldn't frame the results as "Group B has more diversity of thought" unless I obviously had some agenda behind it because that's not the conclusion nor what the people who wrote the study even said.

Do better man you've been here long enough

Man...I should have checked the thread before making my post, you beat me to it, Lol.



IcaroRibeiro said:
KLXVER said:

So what is the difference between gender and sex?

Sex is the biological thing. Gender is how the society sees and assign rules, it was initially based on sex but as most social things it became complicated when we have different cultures to understand. The blurrede lines separeting gender and sex can be observed in some societies, like in India they have the Hijra which is see a as a third gender. There is also the existence of intersex people, who cannot always be correctly assigned at birth specially in past. This creates a strange occurance where people were raised and socialized as men or women, just to discover in puberty their gender assigned at birth might not exactly be representative of their chromossomes 

Then why are some trans people angry when others dont call them by their gender? I mean if you believe in the definition of sex, then if you call a trans woman a woman, then wouldnt that make you a sexist?



Tober said:
KLXVER said:

So what is the difference between gender and sex?

Funnily enough both words translate in Dutch to the same word: "Geslacht". We do not separate them in my language.

The word Sex does exist in Dutch, but only means the activity of intercourse.

In portuguese we have the game word for "genre" and "gender" which is "gênero", "gênero" is derivate from latim genus which means origin or family. Gênero is simply the name or classification of a variety of things based on convensions and custom. The term is generalist, can be used to describe anything: Movies, games, music, taxonomy of living beings and even the language itself 

That's why the word itself in portuguese is insifghtful and clearly communicate gender is what society agrees a man or female is, instead of what they might actually be (genetically speaking). Also, just like about everything genres come with expectations right? We all expect the genre of horror movies to be... you know, scarry? Human gender/genre is the same, is not about what we think a men/women is, but also how they should behave



KLXVER said:
Ryuu96 said:

Now I'll go argue with another left winger about supporting Ukraine or some shit. Diversity of viewpoints =/= quality of viewpoints.

So what different opinions do people on the left have about supporting Ukraine?

There are some on the left who are very isolationist and believe we should stop supporting Ukraine full-stop, they believe that we are escalating the situation by sending weapons to Ukraine, they don't trust "The West" when it comes to foreign conflicts anymore due to previous history in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Jeremy Corbyn for example, is a popular left-winger in the UK who I would love, but I just can't bring myself to support him anymore because his opinion on supporting Ukraine is something I cannot get behind at all, Quite frankly I think his foreign policy stances are atrocious and would result in Ukraine being slaughtered by Russia if everyone followed his views.

I've probably argued with an equal amount of left wingers than I have MAGA on supporting Ukraine, both their stances piss me off, Lol. MAGA tends to take the stance of "Fuck Ukraine, it's not our problem, Russia isn't our enemy, Russia is saving the West from Woke ideology" while some of the left (I jokingly call them commies) have a stance which I believe comes from fear and nativity and a weird obsession with blaming "The West" for every issue in the world, somehow it's The West's fault and we somehow forced Putin to murder thousands of innocent women, men, children and if we keep supporting Ukraine then big scary Russia will nuke us all because Russia has threatened to do so about a thousand times already so this time is surely legit and if we simply stop sending Ukraine weapons then Russia will suddenly say "My B, I'm leaving now" Lol.



KLXVER said:

Then why are some trans people angry when others dont call them by their gender? I mean if you believe in the definition of sex, then if you call a trans woman a woman, then wouldnt that make you a sexist?

Here, we are diverging from the sociological definition and entering the more political side of things: the trans community (or trans movement) seeks recognition of the gender they identify with

Gender appears to be a deep part of human identity, which is why, in general, the medical field believes it's better to let trans people live as the gender they identify with. The psychological harm of forcing them to live otherwise can be significant. Refusing to treat a trans man as a man means you do not respect his right to self-identify, and this is definitely perceived by many (if not all) as a microaggression