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Ryuu96 said:

Oh and my religion is the only true religion in the world, all those other religions? Total bullshit, zero evidence, made up nonsense, they're all going to Hell as well. Though I bet there's many people from those religions also saying the exact same things about my religion with the exact same amount of "proof" but hey, only mine is the real truth!

It’s never going to be mindblowing that the “one true religion” somehow missed the huge, advanced, civilization on the other side of the Iranian plateau from the Levant… or the even bigger, older, and wealthier civilization on the opposite side of the Himalayas from that one. Those two areas together have accounted for 40-50% of the sum total of humanity for as long as civilization has existed. Guess those folks are all screwed. 



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SanAndreasX said:
Ryuu96 said:

Oh and my religion is the only true religion in the world, all those other religions? Total bullshit, zero evidence, made up nonsense, they're all going to Hell as well. Though I bet there's many people from those religions also saying the exact same things about my religion with the exact same amount of "proof" but hey, only mine is the real truth!

It’s never going to be mindblowing that the “one true religion” somehow missed the huge, advanced, civilization on the other side of the Iranian plateau from the Levant… or the even bigger, older, and wealthier civilization on the opposite side of the Himalayas from that one. Those two areas together have accounted for 40-50% of the sum total of humanity for as long as civilization has existed. Guess those folks are all screwed. 

It's really funny when I see someone from one religion say "Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and the other guy say "No! Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and they can't see the stupidity of it all. Man how hard is it to say "I believe this, but I respect your belief, I cannot say for certain yours is not true but this is what I believe in" Lol.

They're arguing about their religion being the true religion with the exact same amount of evidence...



Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

It’s never going to be mindblowing that the “one true religion” somehow missed the huge, advanced, civilization on the other side of the Iranian plateau from the Levant… or the even bigger, older, and wealthier civilization on the opposite side of the Himalayas from that one. Those two areas together have accounted for 40-50% of the sum total of humanity for as long as civilization has existed. Guess those folks are all screwed. 

It's really funny when I see someone from one religion say "Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and the other guy say "No! Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and they can't see the stupidity of it all. Man how hard is it to say "I believe this, but I respect your belief, I cannot say for certain yours is not true but this is what I believe in" Lol.

They're arguing about their religion being the true religion with the exact same amount of evidence...

Pretty much, I don't believe in the Christian God for the same reason Christians don't believe in Zeus, Jupiter, Horus, or any of the other countless other gods and goddesses throughout human culture.



Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

It’s never going to be mindblowing that the “one true religion” somehow missed the huge, advanced, civilization on the other side of the Iranian plateau from the Levant… or the even bigger, older, and wealthier civilization on the opposite side of the Himalayas from that one. Those two areas together have accounted for 40-50% of the sum total of humanity for as long as civilization has existed. Guess those folks are all screwed. 

It's really funny when I see someone from one religion say "Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and the other guy say "No! Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and they can't see the stupidity of it all. Man how hard is it to say "I believe this, but I respect your belief, I cannot say for certain yours is not true but this is what I believe in" Lol.

They're arguing about their religion being the true religion with the exact same amount of evidence...

The worst words ever written by humans are the words “thou shalt have no other gods before me.” 

“Blasphemy” is a concept that needed to die five thousand years ago. It’s certainly a concept that has no place in 2025. 

Last edited by SanAndreasX - on 26 June 2025

JamesCantu said:

Pemalite said:

“There is the same amount of evidence for Aliens as there is for your particular God... That is zero, zilch, nada.

Richard Dawkins doesn't assert that Aliens exist.”

Here’s my response:

Check out this video. In his own words, Dawkins postulates that aliens seeded life on earth. Ridley Scott actually picked up on this atheistic concept in his movie Prometheus. The important takeaway for me from Dawkins’ inadvertent admission is that even simple life is incredibly complex and highly improbable without the aid of an intelligent creator. Dawkins knows life can’t create itself, but he can’t bring himself to acknowledge or worship God. It’s a heart issue, not a head issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDvaPzg32W8

That is not in any way a reasonable interpretation of what he said.

Dawkins said several times when asked how the first self replicating molecules arose "I don't know". Which is a very sensible answer for someone who is not in any way an expert on abiogenesis or chemistry (to my knowledge).

He was then asked "What is the possibility that intelligent design might be the answer to some of these issues in genetics"? So Dawkins goeas along and throws out a possibility. That is in no way anythign close to him admitting life is improbable without an intelligent creator. All he's doing is saying it's theoretically possible.

Funny enough this movie was from "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed". In the filming of that movie, they told Richard Dawkins and others that they were being interviewed for a pro-evolution documentary when the intention was to make an anti-evolution "documentary" which is rife with intentional dishonesty, omitted relevant details, and enough overall scumbaggery to make Michael Moore blush. The very intention was to get interviews with these people, so they could be badgered into giving bad answers. So that somewhere someone on the internet could be like "SEE RICHARD DAWKINS BELIEVES IN ALIENS!"

If you are actually interested in what Dawkins thinks about the possibility of an intelligent designer, he's literally written books about it. I would suggest that if you are an intellectually honest person who wants to fairly represent those views, you might read one of those books, instead of watching one clip from an ambush interview. Especially one that even taken at face value does not say what you're claiming it does.



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SeaDaVie said:
KratosLives said:

The worst crimes were committed by non religious people. Explain that.

Committing an act in the name of god and committing an act as a person who doesn’t believe in god are not the same thing. Lots of people do terrible things that are not driven by their worldview, lots of religious people commit terrible acts that have nothing to do with their religion.

What we are talking about are acts directly driven by their religion. Strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up random people, piloting aeroplanes into buildings. Creating armies to storm the holy land and pillage, murder and rape said holy land and its residents. Jews and Muslims openly wishing to commit genocide against each other. 

These kinds of actions are not only driven by religion but also enabled by their religion i.e. the suicide bombers believe with 100% certainty they are going to their paradise with 100 virgins waiting for them or whatever nonsense the clerics tell them. In an irreligious world it would be a lot harder to convince people to strap bombs to themselves, and a lot of people would be a lot less emboldened in their harder views.

Religion doesn’t make people bad, but it enables and emboldens people’s worst tendencies, and peoples worst tendencies are generally really pretty bad. 

Those terrorists aren't committing terror because of religion, that's just a justification they make up because of geopolitical tensions that wasn't caused because of religion. If they followed no religion,  they,d still find ways to act out revenge and some excuse will be made up of they have no justified narrative.



The truly awful terrible people that just want to kill are not the ones strapping the bombs to themselves though, they’re the ones strapping the bombs to others. Young, gullible people; true believers. Convinced by their unassailable belief they are doing the right thing, that they will be heroes, and there will be a special place in their heaven for them(also virgins).



JamesCantu said:

The only “religious” people who are “saved” are born-again believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior.

Well. Then your God isn't worthy of worship.

...Because that means every single infant ever born on Earth that has died way to early... Has no concept of your religion, Jesus or your God.

By your words, your God sends all infants to Hell.
With all due respect... Screw your God.

JamesCantu said:

They admit they are sinners in need of a savior.

This is a lie... And this tells me you are likely just a troll.

JamesCantu said:

They acknowledge no amount of good works can overcome their sin.

Another lie.

Although... You need to believe in "sin" to start with.. Remember, Sin is a religious INVENTION meant to keep you compliant and complicit with your cults propaganda.
...And you have fallen for it.


JamesCantu said:

They confess Jesus Christ as the only one who can save them, because He is God and lived a perfect, sinless life on earth. And He died a brutal death on the cross as punishment for our sins, because He loves us. And He rose from the dead after 3 days and is now in heaven, ready to forgive our sins if we’re willing to receive the free gift of salvation He offers.

There is no evidence your God even exists, so there is literally nothing to confess.

Your God cannot be perfect if your God allows death and destruction, paint and suffering, abuse and torture to exist.

There is no evidence your God rose from the dead, there is no evidence of your heaven, there is no evidence of salvation.

You need to STOP making baseless assertions... It makes you look like a gullible sheep.

JamesCantu said:

With the fall of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden, sin & disease & disaster & death & decay entered the universe and mankind. So the entire book of the Bible, which is God’s divinely-inspired & 100% inerrant revelation to mankind, is a story of God’s redemption of His creation & mankind. But not all of mankind will be redeemed – only born-again believers saved by Jesus, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Believers will receive eternal life in heaven, because their sins have been paid for by the blood of Jesus. Non-believers will be judged & declared guilty. They will be sent to hell for all of eternity.

Stop with the lies and the fairy-tales.

JamesCantu said:

There is also one more category of non-believer – the fake “Christian.” Let me explain. The process of salvation in the life of a believer is immediate justification, then gradual sanctification, and then upon death - ultimate & eternal glorification. If a so-called believer does not bear fruit (i.e., good works), and he continues to live a life of ongoing sin, with no real tangible demonstration of a relationship with Jesus, then it is likely his conversion was not a real one. Only God knows. But if their conversion was not real, then they are going to hell the same as all of the other non-believers out there. That is the difference between a true born-again believer, and someone who is a mere “cultural” Christian, or Christian “in name only,” or fake “Christian.”

No one literally cares what you think.

JamesCantu said:

The Bible teaches that mankind is utterly sinful. Paul writes in Romans 3:11-18, “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

The Bible is the claim and not evidence.
The Bible cannot even get basic math like Pi correct.

Preaching religious rubbish isn't going to get you far... It makes you look less credible, not more so.

JamesCantu said:

So when I see on this forum a lot of space devoted to whether atheists or religious people are historically responsible for more evil in the world – my answer is BOTH. Most religious people are going to hell, because they follow a false religion and/or are fakes. And so-called “non-religious” people are certainly going to hell, such as the atheist, because they follow a false religion that denies the obvious existence of God – and for them, anything goes since they are “god” and get to make up the rules of “morality” to suit their own sinful lusts & desires & greed.

1) There is no evidence that hell exists.
2) Atheism is Anti-Theism. It's not a set of beliefs, it's disbelief due to the burden of proof for your cults religious claims not being met.
3) If your God sends anyone to your hypothetical "hell" then your God is not a good god. Your God is not worthy of admiration. Your God is not worthy of worship.
4) Your religion isn't the first middle eastern religion, the Jewish Torah was the first of it's kind, you have the same God as the God in the Muslims Quran.

JamesCantu said:

Mankind, both ostensibly religious & ostensibly non-religious, has committed much evil in this world & will continue to do so. That is because he is a sinner in need of a savior. So when you debate which side has committed the greater atrocity, you are inadvertently validating the very anthropological doctrine that Scripture teaches.

Believing in your cult doesn't make you a good person.

JWeinCom said:

That is not in any way a reasonable interpretation of what he said.

Dawkins said several times when asked how the first self replicating molecules arose "I don't know". Which is a very sensible answer for someone who is not in any way an expert on abiogenesis or chemistry (to my knowledge).

He was then asked "What is the possibility that intelligent design might be the answer to some of these issues in genetics"? So Dawkins goeas along and throws out a possibility. That is in no way anythign close to him admitting life is improbable without an intelligent creator. All he's doing is saying it's theoretically possible.

Funny enough this movie was from "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed". In the filming of that movie, they told Richard Dawkins and others that they were being interviewed for a pro-evolution documentary when the intention was to make an anti-evolution "documentary" which is rife with intentional dishonesty, omitted relevant details, and enough overall scumbaggery to make Michael Moore blush. The very intention was to get interviews with these people, so they could be badgered into giving bad answers. So that somewhere someone on the internet could be like "SEE RICHARD DAWKINS BELIEVES IN ALIENS!"

If you are actually interested in what Dawkins thinks about the possibility of an intelligent designer, he's literally written books about it. I would suggest that if you are an intellectually honest person who wants to fairly represent those views, you might read one of those books, instead of watching one clip from an ambush interview. Especially one that even taken at face value does not say what you're claiming it does.

He is being disingenuous... Bordering on pathological.
Which correct me if I am wrong, is a Sin, which means he is going to his unproven Hell, right?



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There is plenty of evidence for God. the Catholic Church recently declared their first millennial saint Carlo Acutis after two scientifically verified were attributed to him.

Pope Leo announces when British-born 'God's Influencer' Carlo Acutis will finally be canonised | Daily Mail Online

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Acutis

Carlo Acutis is known for two significant miracles attributed to his intercession:
  • Healing of a Brazilian Child: A boy named Mattheus was healed from a serious birth defect called an annular pancreas after he and his mother asked Carlo Acutis to pray for his healing. 
  • Recovery of a Costa Rican Woman: The sudden recovery of a woman suffering from a head condition is also attributed to Carlo Acutis' intercession. 

    These miracles contributed to his beatification by Pope Francis on October 10, 2020, and he is considered a potential patron saint of the internet. 



curl-6 said:
Ryuu96 said:

It's really funny when I see someone from one religion say "Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and the other guy say "No! Your religion is bullshit! Only mine is the truth!" and they can't see the stupidity of it all. Man how hard is it to say "I believe this, but I respect your belief, I cannot say for certain yours is not true but this is what I believe in" Lol.

They're arguing about their religion being the true religion with the exact same amount of evidence...

Pretty much, I don't believe in the Christian God for the same reason Christians don't believe in Zeus, Jupiter, Horus, or any of the other countless other gods and goddesses throughout human culture.

How is that the same thing? I don't believe in Zeus, Horus etc because they do not have any influence in this world, but the Abrahamic God does. Look at how Christianity and Islam are constantly making news headlines. Surely a real God would have influence in this world.