JackHandy said:
JWeinCom said:
Well... we've seen Christians protesting the funerals of gay soldiers... Muslims decapitating teachers for showing an image of a pedophilic alleged prophet... Christians bombing abortion clinics... Catholics discouraging condom use and increasing the spread of aids in Africa... Jewish settlers continuing to exacerbate issues in the middle east... muslims using gang rape as a form of punishment... the Catholic shuffling known pedophiles around the country to enable them to continue their child abuse unimpeded, and so on so forth.
So, while I have found that generally atheists are far appropriate when spreading their beliefs (never had atheists come to my door or try to convert me on a train or on the street while that's happened many times with religious folks) even if they are loud and mocking I still don't think they're the problem.
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Do you know how many atheists have been serial/mass murderers throughout the 19th-21st century? The numbers are staggering. Yet, I doubt you would claim it was fair for people of faith to go out and attack every atheist they see because of this. And with good reason: it's not fair. So too, is it unfair to do the same to people of faith when one of theirs looses their mind and blows up an abortion clinic. They clearly were sick in the head and weren't practicing what they preach.
People just need to leave each other alone. Both sides.
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I am doubtful that athests are overrepresented in the mass murderer department, but please feel free to show evidence that atheists are more likely to commit murder.
The key difference though is that all of the examples I gave were people doing heinous things either specifically because of their religion or at least enabled by their religion.
Women in Saudi Arabia can't walk around in public as they wish specifically because of their religion. Women in Pakistan get gang raped if they are imodest because of their religion. A french teacher was beheaded specifically because of religion. Gay kids are kicked out of their houses specifically because of their religion. People are literally killed for leaving a religion.
You picked the low hanging fruit of abortion clinic bombings because all of the other examples are too large to explain by simply saying its a few bad apples. The Catholic Church was engaged in a literal child sex trafficking conspiracy. Thousands of cases and doubtlessly many more that never came to light. And the church deliberately covered it up. Not a few bad apples.
86% of the people of Egypt believe that people should be put to death for leaving Islam. That is over 80 million people. Not a few bad apples. Either most Egyptians are just vile people on a genetic level, or something is influencing them to hold grossly immoral beliefs.
For hundreds if not thousands of years, the caste system of India doomed millions to a shit life from the day they were born based on Hindu beliefs. Not a few bad apples or random psychos. These are large scale societal problems where religion is obviously a major factor.
So, no, it's not both sides. Of course, atheists do bad things. But we have simply not seen the type of widescale nationwide and global attrocities attributable to atheism as we can see with religion. We just see them being loud and obnoxious sometimes.
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It's interesting to see how many people are coming to a specifically pro atheist thread to be loud and obnoxious about their religion. I wonder if a pro-Christianity thread were made if atheists on the forums would be equally obnoxious about it.
TheTitaniumNub said:
Atheism, Satanism, and Christianity are the 3 silliest religions that exist, that people take serious anyways. I'm agnostic personally, the safe religion.
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Under most common usages, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. I identify as either. I do not believe there is a god or gods, so I am an atheist. I do not know that for a fact (although I'm pretty convinced depending on how you define god) so I identify as agnostic.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 25 June 2025