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Biggerboat1 said:
HoloDust said:

Handily beating XSS?! Bollocks. We all watched the same video, right? It manages better textures, though not all, it resolves SSR better and has crisper image in some cases, but it has lower rendering resolution with more aliasing, worse shadows, last gen level of traffic and NPCs, and finally, the most important thing, worse frame rates, where XSS is running always on locked 30, while SW2 has prolonged dips in low 20s, and even sub 20 on occasion.

SW2 port is really, really good, but let's not go with wild statements.

CPU will be its weak spot it seems - they could've gone with smaller node AND bigger battery with 30Wh capacity (instead of actual 20Wh), letting it run at 15W handheld and 30W docked - that would be big performance uplift.
Bulkier I hear? By small amount, not that I care - I don't see any of these "handhelds" as proper old school handhelds, yes, they are portable, but not something you can put in your pocket and carry around that way.
Much higher price I hear? Bollocks. It raises price by max 15$, plus $5 for additional cooling and bigger chassis - sure it would eat into Nintendo profit somewhat, but I'm willing to bet that at $450 it would still be profitable, just not as profitable as it is right now - they are making them to sell at least 100 millions, not 1 million.

I already clarified that statement in a reply to Hardstuck-Platinum.

I'm not claiming that S2 handily beats Series S - I agree that overall the Series S version is a slightly superior experience.

I was asking Hardstuck-Platinum to provide an example of a handheld in the same price bracket as S2 that does easily beat the Series S as he seem disappointed that the S2 isn't much more performant than it is.

I'm basically asking him to justify his reasoning as his criticisms seem more based on willful negativity than on the real-world tradeoffs you have to make between mobile & plug-in consoles and the available tech for each.

Perhaps then somewhat more selective choice of phrasing next time, since it comes out as if you think that SW2 "handily beats XSS"?

And I'd say that currently no handheld device, at any price, beats XSS - they all have the same problem, which is memory bandwidth, even if they have much better CPU/GPU combos than XSS on paper - if it's to believe latest leaks, even Sony is having problem designing their handheld and thus having to go with some extra memory caches to try to mitigate that.



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HoloDust said:
Biggerboat1 said:

I already clarified that statement in a reply to Hardstuck-Platinum.

I'm not claiming that S2 handily beats Series S - I agree that overall the Series S version is a slightly superior experience.

I was asking Hardstuck-Platinum to provide an example of a handheld in the same price bracket as S2 that does easily beat the Series S as he seem disappointed that the S2 isn't much more performant than it is.

I'm basically asking him to justify his reasoning as his criticisms seem more based on willful negativity than on the real-world tradeoffs you have to make between mobile & plug-in consoles and the available tech for each.

Perhaps then somewhat more selective choice of phrasing next time, since it comes out as if you think that SW2 "handily beats XSS"?

And I'd say that currently no handheld device, at any price, beats XSS - they all have the same problem, which is memory bandwidth, even if they have much better CPU/GPU combos than XSS on paper - if it's to believe latest leaks, even Sony is having problem designing their handheld and thus having to go with some extra memory caches to try to mitigate that.

Actually, there is. It's called the Asus Z13 Flow. It's a 13" tablet. It's not designed to be a handheld but because it's just a small tablet you can fit a controller onto it and use it as a handheld. The Z13 flow really does handily beat the XBSS. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
HoloDust said:

Perhaps then somewhat more selective choice of phrasing next time, since it comes out as if you think that SW2 "handily beats XSS"?

And I'd say that currently no handheld device, at any price, beats XSS - they all have the same problem, which is memory bandwidth, even if they have much better CPU/GPU combos than XSS on paper - if it's to believe latest leaks, even Sony is having problem designing their handheld and thus having to go with some extra memory caches to try to mitigate that.

Actually, there is. It's called the Asus Z13 Flow. It's a 13" tablet. It's not designed to be a handheld but because it's just a small tablet you can fit a controller onto it and use it as a handheld. The Z13 flow really does handily beat the XBSS. 

Mate, you're really stretching it at this point - that is 13.4" tablet/laptop, not handheld (notice it's under Laptops, not under Gaming Handhelds at ASUS' site).

And yes, it's faster than XSS in every aspect (at its $2100 price), as many laptops are, but it doesn't qualify.

Last edited by HoloDust - on 16 June 2025

HoloDust said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Actually, there is. It's called the Asus Z13 Flow. It's a 13" tablet. It's not designed to be a handheld but because it's just a small tablet you can fit a controller onto it and use it as a handheld. The Z13 flow really does handily beat the XBSS. 

Mate, you're really stretching it at this point - that is 13.4" tablet/laptop, not handheld (notice it's under Laptops, not under Gaming Handhelds at ASUS' site).

And yes, it's faster than XSS in every aspect (at its $2100 price), as many laptops are, but it doesn't qualify.

with special controller addons, phones and tablets can be converted into conventional gaming handhelds though? If the controller addon is big enough to fit the tablet why should be discount it as a handheld? 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
HoloDust said:

Mate, you're really stretching it at this point - that is 13.4" tablet/laptop, not handheld (notice it's under Laptops, not under Gaming Handhelds at ASUS' site).

And yes, it's faster than XSS in every aspect (at its $2100 price), as many laptops are, but it doesn't qualify.

with special controller addons, phones and tablets can be converted into conventional gaming handhelds though? If the controller addon is big enough to fit the tablet why should be discount it as a handheld? 

2100$

I don't think they'll sell many units at that price. You're asking Nintendo to do the impossible: you want something powerful, energy efficient, easy to transport and inexpensive.



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HoloDust said:
Biggerboat1 said:

I already clarified that statement in a reply to Hardstuck-Platinum.

I'm not claiming that S2 handily beats Series S - I agree that overall the Series S version is a slightly superior experience.

I was asking Hardstuck-Platinum to provide an example of a handheld in the same price bracket as S2 that does easily beat the Series S as he seem disappointed that the S2 isn't much more performant than it is.

I'm basically asking him to justify his reasoning as his criticisms seem more based on willful negativity than on the real-world tradeoffs you have to make between mobile & plug-in consoles and the available tech for each.

Perhaps then somewhat more selective choice of phrasing next time, since it comes out as if you think that SW2 "handily beats XSS"?

And I'd say that currently no handheld device, at any price, beats XSS - they all have the same problem, which is memory bandwidth, even if they have much better CPU/GPU combos than XSS on paper - if it's to believe latest leaks, even Sony is having problem designing their handheld and thus having to go with some extra memory caches to try to mitigate that.

Fair enough, it appears that my wording could have done with some work, but after two clarifications I'm hoping I'm now in the clear haha.



Sure, basically every tablet and phone can be handheld gaming devices with optional controllers. They're in a different category from the Switch 2/Steamdeck/Rog Ally though. 

Hell, if someone was strong enough they could put their pc with the newest graphics card in their giant backpack and hook it up to a gas generator on wheels that's rolling behind them and use some HDMI output cables to connect their pc to a tablet with optional controllers and call that a handheld gaming device too.

But originally the conversation was about a handheld gaming device in the price range of the Switch 2 that blows the XSS out of the water. Not sure what a $2100 (according to the other poster) laptop/tablet combo device has to do with anything. 



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
HoloDust said:

Perhaps then somewhat more selective choice of phrasing next time, since it comes out as if you think that SW2 "handily beats XSS"?

And I'd say that currently no handheld device, at any price, beats XSS - they all have the same problem, which is memory bandwidth, even if they have much better CPU/GPU combos than XSS on paper - if it's to believe latest leaks, even Sony is having problem designing their handheld and thus having to go with some extra memory caches to try to mitigate that.

Actually, there is. It's called the Asus Z13 Flow. It's a 13" tablet. It's not designed to be a handheld but because it's just a small tablet you can fit a controller onto it and use it as a handheld. The Z13 flow really does handily beat the XBSS. 

The fact that you're resorting to a piece of hardware (without a controller right?) that's nearly 5X the price of S2 kinda makes my point. You're 'disappointment' isn't really based on any logical foundation of what's achievable on a handheld.

I guess the PS5 is a POS because a it doesn't match the performance of a 2K+ PC...?



Kynes said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

with special controller addons, phones and tablets can be converted into conventional gaming handhelds though? If the controller addon is big enough to fit the tablet why should be discount it as a handheld? 

2100$

I don't think they'll sell many units at that price. You're asking Nintendo to do the impossible: you want something powerful, energy efficient, easy to transport and inexpensive.

It's selling pretty well, but not Switch 2 numbers obviously. I didn't bring it up because it's what I expected from Nintendo, but only as a comparison point. Tablets devalue pretty quickly, so this mighty powerful small tablet that trounces the XBSS will not be worth much in a couple of years. It's just the best showcase of the power of modern small portable devices that already exist.



The fact is for 99.9 percent of people Switch 2 is going to represent a massive upgrade and a wonderful piece of hardware bringing them a level of visuals and gameplay experiences that they couldn’t have dreamed of or considered home console only experiences prior to this.

Things like the Steam Deck which are outclassed by this Switch 2 are still extremely niche devices and things like a 900 dollar ROG Ally X even moreso.

This is going to be a great device for millions of people bringing them visual performance in a hybrid that they are not used to.

Enthusiast gamers always miss the forest from the trees. This is the best Nintendo hardware on day 1 since the GameCube and it should be able to with some effort on a dev’s part to run an awful lot of XBox Series S games.

I also do think we will see a Switch 2 Pro this time around. You can see even in Nintendo’s marketing they are emphasizing things like 4K resolution and even 120 fps. The Wii and DS eras is most definitely over this is more akin to what the Super NES was in the early 90s.