When I first said that newer games in a series make older games irrelevant, I never specified story-centric media. You applied that goalpost. You've been trying to strawman me this whole time. It's gotten old already.

It matters to people who haven't yet played the games and aren't already fans of the series. You seem to have a really hard time grasping this.

Thank you for the explanation of a video review. Now I will explain to you what connotation is: an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning. Maybe one day, you will understand this concept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/15ciruf/ff7_remake_vs_intergrade/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyVII/comments/1e117rq/what_is_the_difference_between_remake_and_remake/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/15h7ihz/is_it_necessary_to_play_intergrade/

https://www.quora.com/Should-you-play-Persona-5-before-Persona-5-Royal

A google search led me to these questions that you said no one asks. Took me less than two minutes. You should really bother to do some research dude. That's just plain lazy of you.

Says the guy who couldn't be bothered to see if people ask about Intergrade and P5 vs. P5R

For someone who doesn't have time to waste, you sure are putting a lot of it and effort into this. You don't seem to have anything better to do.

Which is why I said that it's an addendum to your point. Do you know what an addendum is? Since you're too lazy to research, I'll Google it for you:

1. : a thing added : addition. 2. : a supplement to a book. often used in plural but singular in construction.

Then again, you're the guy who arbitrarily decided that I can only be talking about story-centric games when I said that newer games make older ones irrelevant to fit your narrative in this argument that you apparently don't have time to apply reading comprehension skills for.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyVII/comments/1iw5gzu/should_i_start_with_remake_i_have_onhand_or/

LOL. BasilZero, a real man of the people.

You got butthurt because you thought I was trying to argue with you, and now you've backed yourself into a corner. Great job

The only thing I complained about is the naming convention of the FFVII trilogy. I just said that I haven't bothered to get into Trails or Atelier yet because I haven't felt like figuring out where to start. I can see how that can sound like a complaint to someone incredibly tightly wound up like one of those coil toys from the 90s.

I haven't offered a single critique about any actual games themselves, just the titles of two games. READING. COMPREHENSION. SKILLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzHhmnrPkQ

54 min into the video.
Switch 2 vs PS5 version.
And a comparison with the PS4 version.
Switch 2 is a tad above a PS4 version, seems to the be the conclusion.

Its upscaled to 1080p, and running 30fps.
Part of the trailer they used, was from a PC running high graphics settings.
The Switch 2 parts (at 30fps), are more akin to the PS4 version than the PS5 one (the performance one, that runs 60fps), in terms of graphics.

DF is sticking with comparing the Switch 2, with a PS4 continues....

We're in a thread about FFVII Remake series, a story centric RPG.

If you are bringing up non-story centric media, you are the one with the goalposts.

And those people either do research or ask those that are familiar with, they dont go online and cry about it.

They literally made threads asking those questions to strangers, the thing you just said they don't do.

You finally did some research, if only you did that in the first place for Atelier , Legend of Heroes and FFVII Remake series, we wouldnt had to have this discussion.

Baby steps at least.

We're having this discussion because you thought I was trying to argue with you and you were personally offended that I made fun of the naming convention of your beloved series like it's your momma.

I have no need to look for stuff like that. I already know how to ask or search for something I dont know.

I knew it too; I was making a joke about it. You know that I was making a joke about it at this point. I know you're not this obtuse. You need to keep acting like I had no clue about it and that I was being sincere to fit your narrative. You're the one dragging it out at this point, man. I've admitted the things I've been wrong about already. What more do you want already?

10 minutes out of 1,440 minutes.

Thats less time than it took you to start researching.

Apparently you ran out of research time, because you couldn't be bothered to take two more minutes to check and see if people actually ask the questions that you claim they don't ask. Way to stop practicing what you preach.

We're talking about RPGs. Atelier is a management RPG, Legend of Heroes is a turn based RPG. Final Fantasy VII Remake series is a action RPG.

You brought up games that had nothing to do with the topic at hand and even went outside the main genre.

You like to add words to people's post, which have nothing to do with the topic, thank you for admitting that.

Again, when did we agree that we are only talking about RPGs? Nowhere in this thread does it say "RPGs only, please discuss other genres elswhere." YOU made this arbitrary rule, and only to serve your own agenda.

The topic of the thread is about the director of Rebirth coming that FFVII is coming to Switch 2. The topic that I brought up, and never intended to spend this much time on because we are derailing the thread, is that the choice of titles for the games is silly. So you're claiming that I like to add words to people's post, but you completely lost the plot and forgot what we're even supposed to be talking about. People who need to argue endlessly for the sake of it tend to do that.

Thanks, though I would say, any reasonable person would research or ask people who know like in the topics instead of coming onto a board and crying about too many games or the naming of the games is the reason why they havent played the games.

Touch grass and you'll see that not everyone fits your ideal of "reasonable". Speaking of adding words to people's post, I never said that's the reason I haven't played the games. I haven't played them because my obsessive-compulsive autism traits make me the slowest gamer in the world, and I've spent the past three years playing Monster Hunter Rise nearly nonstop. I finally put it down last month to go back to Breath of the Wild, a game I got nearly 98 percent of the way through five years ago but didn't finish. But now it feels like it's someone else's save file, so I'm starting from scratch. And I have hundreds more games in the backlog, so I've drastically slowed down on game purchases and I don't have the same excitement for new game releases like I used to. But you can keep right on claiming that the reason I haven't played them for reasons that fit your narrative while pretending like I'm the only one flamethrowing.

I'm not the one throwing insults to deflect the conversation to a flame fest. I've pointed out facts, you are just blabbering nonsense in half of your responses.

So claiming someone is crying all over a message  board isn't an insult... huh. Your facts are mostly fabrications that you've made up based on your rigid views of what people should do, what this thread is about, what this back-and-forth between us is about and whatever else you write the rules on. I wonder how well that works for you in your non-online life.

Also, I notice that you didn't deny that you took it personally. So if I've personally offended, you then I'll sincerely say it wasn't my intention, and I'm sorry for doing so. I mean it when I say that my first post wasn't to start an argument, but to use it as a jumpoff point for taking a jab at the names.

And the naming convention is the reason why you havent played FFVII trilogy despite knowing that Remake comes before Rebirth (which was your argument that people who are not familiar with the series would have)

See post above.

If you had played the games, you would have understood the reasoning for the names.

Someone else in the thread played the games and agrees that they are nonsensical.

You cant be bothered to get into Legend of Heroes and Atelier because you havent felt like figuring out where to start. But you can be bothered crying about them on a thread that has nothing to do with them.

Yep, took less work. Don't need to look at videos, reviews and threads to post on a thread. Your head go asplode now.

Anyways, so if you havent a single critique of any of the games you talked about or pertain to this topic, then why are you posting in this thread?

I'm sorry, is this a review thread? I thought it was a news thread.

*Checks first post*

Yeah, looks like a news thread to me. Looks like my reading comprehension skills are still in full effect. I can let you borrow some if yours are broken.

Within the first page of this thread, others have brought up Zelda, Elden Ring, Resident Evil and Hogwarts Legacy. Would you define those games as "story centric RPGs"? I guess the goalposts only apply to me.

They literally made threads asking those questions to strangers, the thing you just said they don't do.

We're having this discussion because you thought I was trying to argue with you and you were personally offended that I made fun of the naming convention of your beloved series like it's your momma.

I knew it too; I was making a joke about it. You know that I was making a joke about it at this point. I know you're not this obtuse. You need to keep acting like I had no clue about it and that I was being sincere to fit your narrative. You're the one dragging it out at this point, man. I've admitted the things I've been wrong about already. What more do you want already?

Apparently you ran out of research time, because you couldn't be bothered to take two more minutes to check and see if people actually ask the questions that you claim they don't ask. Way to stop practicing what you preach.

Again, when did we agree that we are only talking about RPGs? Nowhere in this thread does it say "RPGs only, please discuss other genres elswhere." YOU made this arbitrary rule, and only to serve your own agenda.

The topic of the thread is about the director of Rebirth coming that FFVII is coming to Switch 2. The topic that I brought up, and never intended to spend this much time on because we are derailing the thread, is that the choice of titles for the games is silly. So you're claiming that I like to add words to people's post, but you completely lost the plot and forgot what we're even supposed to be talking about. People who need to argue endlessly for the sake of it tend to do that.

Touch grass and you'll see that not everyone fits your ideal of "reasonable". Speaking of adding words to people's post, I never said that's the reason I haven't played the games. I haven't played them because my obsessive-compulsive autism traits make me the slowest gamer in the world, and I've spent the past three years playing Monster Hunter Rise nearly nonstop. I finally put it down last month to go back to Breath of the Wild, a game I got nearly 98 percent of the way through five years ago but didn't finish. But now it feels like it's someone else's save file, so I'm starting from scratch. And I have hundreds more games in the backlog, so I've drastically slowed down on game purchases and I don't have the same excitement for new game releases like I used to. But you can keep right on claiming that the reason I haven't played them for reasons that fit your narrative while pretending like I'm the only one flamethrowing.

So claiming someone is crying all over a message  board isn't an insult... huh. Your facts are mostly fabrications that you've made up based on your rigid views of what people should do, what this thread is about, what this back-and-forth between us is about and whatever else you write the rules on. I wonder how well that works for you in your non-online life.

Also, I notice that you didn't deny that you took it personally. So if I've personally offended, you then I'll sincerely say it wasn't my intention, and I'm sorry for doing so. I mean it when I say that my first post wasn't to start an argument, but to use it as a jumpoff point for taking a jab at the names.

Someone else in the thread played the games and agrees that they are nonsensical.

Yep, took less work. Don't need to look at videos, reviews and threads to post on a thread. Your head go asplode now.

I'm sorry, is this a review thread? I thought it was a news thread.

*Checks first post*

Yeah, looks like a news thread to me. Looks like my reading comprehension skills are still in full effect. I can let you borrow some if yours are broken.

Zelda and Resident Evil arent RPGs to begin with.

Newer games do not make older games irrelevant - story centric RPGs especially.

The posts you were referring to werent even talking about the content in comparison to Final Fantasy VII Remake series.

Again, you arbitrarily added the condition of them being story-centric RPGs to fit your argument. I'm not disagreeing with you about that, but you know damn well that I wasn't just talking about story-centric RPGs. And you keep saying what this thread is "about" when you didn't start it, and the thread is about news from the director of a game. If you strike oil from digging any further into this hole, you're going to be in China in no time.

People who are interested in playing or getting into the series do, you dont though.

BasilZero said:

You like to add words to people's post, which have nothing to do with the topic, thank you for admitting that.

Yet BasilZero keeps attributing things to me that I never said, like claiming that I have no interest in playing or getting into the series... even though I showed earlier that I'm already into the series because I've played the original game and I have Advent Children. I also have Crisis Core on Backlog Mountain, by the way. I wrote a paragraph explaining why I haven't played the newest games yet, but you keep turning that into "You don't care about the series, you just wanted to insult it, and therefore me."

We're having this discussion because you dont want to play the FFVII Remake series because you think the naming scheme doesnt make sense and because you dont put in any effort in actually looking stuff up and instead complain about the same stuff.

We're having this argument because you thought I was trying to diss you because I quoted part of a post you make. A discussion would imply that you're actually listening; instead it feels more like you're shouting into my face via message board. But I've already apologized for causing a misunderstanding. I've already owned the misinformation I put out in an earlier post about the publishers of Koei Tecmo RPGs, but you keep trying to turn an anthill into a mountain (most normal people don't give a fuck or remember who the publisher is when browsing storefronts). I've already said that I'm into the series, but you keep saying that I don't care, never cared, and won't ever care and just wanted to troll. I really don't get what you want at this point.

Nothing.

Then let it go, buddy.

Research the games you want to play or have questions about. Why the hell would I go look up questions about the difference between Remake and Remake Intergrade if I already know the answer to it?

I knew the answer too, but I have this thing called a sense of humor. I'm not claiming that it's great, but I have it. And I felt like using it a few days ago. I'm sorry that you didn't get the joke. Next time I'll add a disclaimer to fully explain the joke in a spoiler warning.

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is a Action RPG.

Final Fantasy VII Remake is a Action RPG

Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade is a action RPG

All of these are RPGs.

The literal thread title says "FF VII Rebirth" and "FF VII Remake Series"

You on the other hand - its like going into the Nintendo thread and talking about something like the weather.

burninmylight said:

Within the first page of this thread, others have brought up Zelda, Elden Ring, Resident Evil and Hogwarts Legacy. Would you define those games as "story centric RPGs"? I guess the goalposts only apply to me.

We're talking about Final Fantasy VII Remake series.

You brought up Atelier and Legend of Heroes.

Then mentioned other games. If anything, you started derailing it.

It's called using an example. I can't imagine getting triggered every time someone mentions a game in a thread that isn't from the OP's first post. It got derailed when you took my example and made it about trying to prove I know nothing because I got the publisher wrong. Which you are still on. Let it go.

I'm not the one who started throwing insults while we are conversing. I'm not the one who's deflecting conversation about Final Fantasy VII into petty insults and comments like "Butthurt" or "Reading comprehension".

I stick to the topic without having to use the language you are using.

Again, you keep deflecting into other subjects which have nothing to do with Final Fantasy VII Remake series which is what this thread is about.

I'm not going to stoop down to your level. Do better like staying on topic.

So "butthurt" and "reading comprehension" are petty insults and comments, but claiming someone lives under a rock and cries on message boards are not?

BasilZero said:

You dont even know the people who made them so of course you wouldnt care enough to do something simple like searching up release dates and the order of games in both story and release order.

BasilZero said:

If you think Intergrade is a sequel to Remake, either you were never interested in the games because its not a turned based RPG like the original or you've been living under a rock this whole time to miss all the advertising/discussions over the years.

BasilZero said:

And those people either do research or ask those that are familiar with, they dont go online and cry about it.

BasilZero said:

Thanks, though I would say, any reasonable person would research or ask people who know like in the topics instead of coming onto a board and crying about too many games or the naming of the games is the reason why they havent played the games.

You're telling me to stay on topic, and you claim you want nothing else, but you can't own a shred of responsibility for your part in this argument. I'm just going to say again that I wonder how well that works out for you in real life.

I dont really care what people on the internet say or think about me. 

I'd rather stick to the topic discussion which is Final Fantasy VII Remake series.

If you want to make fun of the names that Square Enix gives its games, thats all fine and dandy but to say you dont understand the reasoning for the title Remake and Rebirth - and not having played the games , is just pointless discussion.

People who claim not to care but can't let one perceived slight go tend to care the most. If it's pointless discussion to you, then how about we agree to let it go?

One person's opinion in this thread said that.

It was obvious that

especially at what happened near the end of Remake.

Only your opinions matter. You've already established that.

You're welcome. I hope the information I provided to you about both Legend of Heroes and Atelier actually helps you.

It should. Good lookin' out.

Its a news thread about Final Fantasy VII Remake series and yet half of the thread you talked about Legend of Heroes, Atelier, Resident Evil, Hogwarts, Zelda, games being irrelevant, talking about reading comprehension, attempting to insult me - all of which have nothing to do with this topic.

More like half the thread you talked about LoH and Atelier. I tried to use them as an example in one post... but you're the one that keeps bringing them up over, and over, and over, and over...

If you really believe that you have the moral high ground that you claim, then I'd like to see you actually show it. I'm trying to shut this thing down so we can move on, and I'm clearly the only one so far.

Again, you arbitrarily added the condition of them being story-centric RPGs to fit your argument. I'm not disagreeing with you about that, but you know damn well that I wasn't just talking about story-centric RPGs. And you keep saying what this thread is "about" when you didn't start it, and the thread is about news from the director of a game. If you strike oil from digging any further into this hole, you're going to be in China in no time.

Yet BasilZero keeps attributing things to me that I never said, like claiming that I have no interest in playing or getting into the series... even though I showed earlier that I'm already into the series because I've played the original game and I have Advent Children. I also have Crisis Core on Backlog Mountain, by the way. I wrote a paragraph explaining why I haven't played the newest games yet, but you keep turning that into "You don't care about the series, you just wanted to insult it, and therefore me."

We're having this argument because you thought I was trying to diss you because I quoted part of a post you make. A discussion would imply that you're actually listening; instead it feels more like you're shouting into my face via message board. But I've already apologized for causing a misunderstanding. I've already owned the misinformation I put out in an earlier post about the publishers of Koei Tecmo RPGs, but you keep trying to turn an anthill into a mountain (most normal people don't give a fuck or remember who the publisher is when browsing storefronts). I've already said that I'm into the series, but you keep saying that I don't care, never cared, and won't ever care and just wanted to troll. I really don't get what you want at this point.

It's called using an example. I can't imagine getting triggered every time someone mentions a game in a thread that isn't from the OP's first post. It got derailed when you took my example and made it about trying to prove I know nothing because I got the publisher wrong. Which you are still on. Let it go.

So "butthurt" and "reading comprehension" are petty insults and comments, but claiming someone lives under a rock and cries on message boards are not?

You're telling me to stay on topic, and you claim you want nothing else, but you can't own a shred of responsibility for your part in this argument. I'm just going to say again that I wonder how well that works out for you in real life.

People who claim not to care but can't let one perceived slight go tend to care the most. If it's pointless discussion to you, then how about we agree to let it go?

Only your opinions matter. You've already established that.

If you really believe that you have the moral high ground that you claim, then I'd like to see you actually show it. I'm trying to shut this thing down so we can move on, and I'm clearly the only one so far.