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Nintendo cannot do anything wrong, sometimes I think I am on macrumours.



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Here is the TL;DR version of the OP:

"I, RolStoppable, am not bothered by Switch 2 prices, because I live in Austria.
If your opinion is different from mine, then you are an immature doodoo head."

Does Rol know that most other people don't live in Austria?



I think you missed the most important thing.

The cart itself, it isn't cheap, it's 8x faster and delivers a better gaming experience. They could have easily gone a slower medium and forced people to install the game to the console to play.

I know not everyone will be happy with that but as a game collector of physical, I like that they play straight from the cart. Hell I was advocating on this forum for years for carts that has write ability on them too, so you can upgrade the game carts with patches and DLC, but that would have been even more expensive.

Another less important reason is that Nintendo games have always been the best return on investment. They just don't crash in price. If anything they go up. I have games older consoles that cost me well above RRP because I never bought them during the period it come out.



 

 

G2ThaUNiT said:

Idk why I thought this was gonna be "I have more money" listed 5 times

Agreed overall, except I can't empathize with the 3rd reason lol. That just doesn't happen here in the US unless you get extremely lucky.

I know its a bit of a jest comment, but 8 years on since the Switch, people should have more money. I don't know how all countries work, but in Australia every year our wages go up 2.5% to 5% depending on what we negotiated, usually it follows CPI closely. Looking at my wage it has gone up 27% in the last 8 years.

I truly hope the same applies across the world (at leas tin developed countries or developing ones), otherwise some countries have catching up to do with living standard.



 

 

I'll wait for sales numbers before saying anything.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

Here is the TL;DR version of the OP:

"I, RolStoppable, am not bothered by Switch 2 prices, because I live in Austria.
If your opinion is different from mine, then you are an immature doodoo head."

Does Rol know that most other people don't live in Austria?

I chuckled 😁. But, I've got an actual tl;dr below:

Condensed and canned version - Despite concerns about the Nintendo Switch 2's price, it's not a major issue when accounting for inflation and historical context. BotW + NS = €400 while NS2+MKW = €560, in line with inflation. Switch 2 is more relatively powerful than its predecessor. Games were similarly expensive in the past (While he used Austria as an example, this is true for most countries). Complaints about price are typically from those who aren't early adopters anyway, or those swayed by hype (I'd have used the word stupidity, but I'm an asshole).

Or powdered version - I find concerns about price to be hollow in light of inflation and the vastly superior hardware in question. Also, that I find they're motivated by cynicism and false romanticism rather than a realistic outlook.

Cheers 🥃



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Cobretti2 said:
G2ThaUNiT said:

Idk why I thought this was gonna be "I have more money" listed 5 times

Agreed overall, except I can't empathize with the 3rd reason lol. That just doesn't happen here in the US unless you get extremely lucky.

I know its a bit of a jest comment, but 8 years on since the Switch, people should have more money. I don't know how all countries work, but in Australia every year our wages go up 2.5% to 5% depending on what we negotiated, usually it follows CPI closely. Looking at my wage it has gone up 27% in the last 8 years.

I truly hope the same applies across the world (at leas tin developed countries or developing ones), otherwise some countries have catching up to do with living standard.

Unfortunately the US does not operate like that. Housing and cost of living has vastly outpaced the growth of wages over the years. And depending what state you’re in, your money does not have the same buying power (for example, living in California, your money does take you very far compared to living in Nebraska)

Federal minimum wage in America has somehow still not gone up in 16 years at $7.25/hour, which is anything but a livable wage. Some states have higher at like $15/hour, but still is hardly considered a livable wage.



You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind

I'm not bothered by it all either. I expected NS2 to be at least $450, and I expected NS2 games to be $70 (wasn't expecting $80 for MK World, but in retrospect it shouldn't be surprising because they did the same thing with TOTK and that worked out well for them). I do feel as though the complaints are a little overblown, and that people were mostly being unrealistic, especially those who expected NS2 to be $400 (or even less). Switch OLED is $50 more than a regular Switch, and it comes with a bigger, better screen. NS2 has an even bigger screen and more power, both to the handheld and when connected to the TV. Also bigger controllers.



G2ThaUNiT said:
Cobretti2 said:

I know its a bit of a jest comment, but 8 years on since the Switch, people should have more money. I don't know how all countries work, but in Australia every year our wages go up 2.5% to 5% depending on what we negotiated, usually it follows CPI closely. Looking at my wage it has gone up 27% in the last 8 years.

I truly hope the same applies across the world (at leas tin developed countries or developing ones), otherwise some countries have catching up to do with living standard.

Unfortunately the US does not operate like that. Housing and cost of living has vastly outpaced the growth of wages over the years. And depending what state you’re in, your money does not have the same buying power (for example, living in California, your money does take you very far compared to living in Nebraska)

Federal minimum wage in America has somehow still not gone up in 16 years at $7.25/hour, which is anything but a livable wage. Some states have higher at like $15/hour, but still is hardly considered a livable wage.

I do think that wage concerns are a whole other argument. A serious concern, to be sure. And a concern that actually threatens not just Switch 2 ownership, but the general stability of society.

But, IMO, if people are in dire financial straights at the moment, then it's time to consider dwelling on your existing possessions rather than trying to increase what you already have. Borrowing instead of purchasing. Not just in terms of the Switch 2, or even video games, but generally speaking.

If you're in this position, then it's true, Nintendo isn't serving your demographic with the Switch 2, but this isn't something new with the Switch 2. The issue really lies with who is paying your wages, and Nintendo doesn't pay your wages and the failures of the US voters to vote someone into office like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey (if he ever ran), who would promote one or more of the following - in roughly this order:
A. Unions in the US that bargain with industries on behalf of the working class.
B. A robust Keynesian sector expansion which aims to limit the expansion of the billionaire class while creating jobs for workers, opportunities for new capitalists, and infrastructure for new career opportunities.
C. UBI - which, IMO, could actually work in the moderate and highly developed parts of the US. While UBI will inevitably increase parasites, it will also highly promote entrepreneurship and professionalism - and also remove the incentives for parasitism - because most safety nets de-incentivize earning outside the system as UBI sticks around when earnings increase.
D. Raising the mandated minimum wage - a solution, but my least favourite solution. Because I think union deals, UBI, and Keynesian economics promote healthy economic growth while mandated wages are harmful to small business while only denting the margins of corporations - and allowing corporations to swallow up the smaller businesses. But, for the average worker, this isn't a problem, but it also means reduced entrepreneurship.



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Random_Matt said:

Nintendo cannot do anything wrong, sometimes I think I am on macrumours.

Enough of this petty bullshit that doesn't address any point made in this thread and only seeks to disrupt the conversation.

We're not just falling in line in the wake of Nintendo's announcement. The price is in line with our earlier expectations. That's why we're unconcerned by the price point.

Here's a post I made 7 months ago:

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9539283

Jumpin said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Consoles aren't getting cheaper to produce . PS4 and Switch are still $300 after 7 or 8 years so I'm sure Switch 2 will be at least $400. Wouldn't surprise me if it's $500

That's pretty much my thought, at least 400 and up to 500, probably 450-480. If it's outside of the 4-500 range, colour me surprised.

I think it would be better for this discussion if you'd stop slinging ad-hominems while evading the discussion, and instead address the points we're making in this thread.

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