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They are better off going 3rd party and having an xbox service for windows PCs for the high end specs and release a controller and lower specs for PS and Nintendo. Remove all their games from other services like steam and put it on their own one that comes with windows.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:

They are better off going 3rd party and having an xbox service for windows PCs for the high end specs and release a controller and lower specs for PS and Nintendo. Remove all their games from other services like steam and put it on their own one that comes with windows.

Xbox is 3rd party now.

But they still need a gamepass delivery machine.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Nice try, Hermen Hulst



only777 said:
Cobretti2 said:

They are better off going 3rd party and having an xbox service for windows PCs for the high end specs and release a controller and lower specs for PS and Nintendo. Remove all their games from other services like steam and put it on their own one that comes with windows.

Xbox is 3rd party now.

But they still need a gamepass delivery machine.

Only if they care more about growing gamepass for its potential.... which is many many years down the road in the future,
than actually profits from selling software/games can generate (here and now).

Its like that they don't.... well of course they care.... but not to the degree they are willing to give up making money (that just being a 3rd party publisher could bring in).

As it stands, now. I think they care more about their big publishing studios and their potential to sell games,
than they do about gamepass or their own console hardware.  That's basically what I'm trying to say.

So right now, xbox priorities are like this:
big publishing houses doing well (selling as 3rd party) > game-pass potential in future > console hardware.


If game-pass or consoles sales get in the way..... they could be cut.
That is how I think xbox views things, after spending those $70-80bn on building up their studios.
The value of their studios, currently is more important than anything, for xbox.

So basically, if they get things going at a good pace, software wise and selling games.
They won't give two sh*ts about game-pass imo.

How many projects have Microsoft closed down? Who's to say that game-pass won't just be another one such?

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JRPGfan said:
only777 said:

Xbox is 3rd party now.

But they still need a gamepass delivery machine.

Only if they care more about growing gamepass for its potential.... which is many many years down the road in the future,
than actually profits from selling software/games can generate (here and now).

Its like that they don't.... well of course they care.... but not to the degree they are willing to give up making money (that just being a 3rd party publisher could bring in).

As it stands, now. I think they care more about their big publishing studios and their potential to sell games,
than they do about gamepass or their own console hardware.  That's basically what I'm trying to say.

So right now, xbox priorities are like this:
big publishing houses doing well (selling as 3rd party) > game-pass potential in future > console hardware.


If game-pass or consoles sales get in the way..... they could be cut.
That is how I think xbox views things, after spending those $70-80bn on building up their studios.
The value of their studios, currently is more important than anything, for xbox.

So basically, if they get things going at a good pace, software wise and selling games.
They won't give two sh*ts about game-pass imo.

How many projects have Microsoft closed down? Who's to say that game-pass won't just be another one such?

MS is all about subscriptions to maintain revenue. But they're finding out now it's much easier to keep companies subscribed than fickle consumers that can't simply write off subscriptions as business expenses and subscribe selectively.

Selling games is still more profitable than renting them out when people subscribe for a month here and there. It's fine for older games but day 1 releases on rental services is shooting yourself in the foot.

So they might drop day 1 access first and/or raise the prices further, which will shrink interest in gamepass. But as long as they can get sales from other platforms gamepass will survive. Kind of a contradiction, more gamepass growth, less revenue for new releases.



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NO, but really, if Sony sells his next console (or next PS5 revision) for 666,000 Dollars, man, than would be AWESOME!. Really!

Think about that.



SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

I think the "biggest leap ever" marketing is a bluff. Maybe not, but that's my guess.

I think if MS doesn't cancel the next gen kits, that there will be 2 pieces of XB hardware again.

The main goal will be to pretty much unify the hardware so they don't have the Series S/X problem anymore.

One will be a Series X level performance console, give or take, with new tech baked in and on an updated manufacturing process.

The other will have similar hardware and performance, give or take, and will be a handheld hybrid.

The console would likely be $400. The handheld hybrid $500.

With so many saying PS6 will be $600, MS will have two pieces of XB hardware that are cheaper than a PS6, landing in the "sweet spot".

Both will launch holiday 2027 or holiday 2028.

*Just so there's no confusion. I'm not saying the base hardware will be capable of raw 12TF. Think of it like PS5 Pro, where it has 16TF of raw performance, but clearly punches above that because of additional tech like PSSR. MS would be able to make like 8TF hardware, yet get performance like a Series X using hardware and software tech advancements over the next 2-3 years.

The "biggest leap ever" won't feel like a big leap at all.

It might be on paper, but we're already at the edge of a perceivable increase in resolution and fidelity. People are not going to buy 120" 8K TVs, 65" to 80" 4K is the upper limit atm, as well as having a screen in front of you occupying more than 40 degrees of your FoV is not comfortable for most people. At that fov, 3600x2025 is the very upper limit of what you can perceive (20:15 vision, 90 ppd), less than 4K.

Everything in 60fps is not that big of a leap either, that's what ps5 pro is doing now. And higher than 60 frame rates are for enthusiasts. Most people don't even care about 30 or 60.

Fidelity is already at the maximum level of comfort, so that only leaves lighting and physics to be the "biggest leap ever"

Well ray tracing is certainly great for developers, yet the difference with pre-baked lighting and reflections is not that revolutionary. In fact some have issues with the extra amount of visual stimuli that introduces. Can't see anymore because all the reflections...

That leaves physics for "biggest leap ever". Yet again, that will be mostly on paper. There are plenty physics games, and physics can get messy real quick. Again adding to the clutter modern games already suffer from.

Next to, how do you right good stories / gameplay for fully destructible or changing worlds. Better world simulations would be a huge leap, changing worlds, growing, flooding, land slides, snow accumulation. But you still need your quests to be able to work and that will become a lot more tricky instead of simply changing the time of day / weather for a mission.

And overall, diminishing returns keep 'plaguing' 'progress'. It simply won't look like a leap at all in screenshots. Plus the move to streaming from the cloud means all that extra fidelity and finesse gets lost in compression. So why would developers concentrate on details only a small minority gets to see while the vast majority is streaming those games at 720p / 1080p, 30 or 60 fps. (Or bit starved 4K60, uncompressed 4K60 is 7.4 Gbps after chroma subsampling)

Ehh you can see it with the latest 5090, diminishing returns. That's a $2000 GPU, AI spit and polish are not going to make a giant leap over that.

Best they can do for a premium console is not skimp on memory, fast and a lot of it. 32GB RAM.




One untapped market is the (no fuss) home entertainment system. Replicate what the cloud does locally without internet dependence. One main premium XBox that can serve multiple receivers around the house. Basically a PC in a box that can run multiple games simultaneously.

Add split-screen options to play 2 instances of the same game on the same TV and you have a game changer. Imagine suddenly you can play any multiplayer game you buy with 2 players locally on the same TV (or 2 TVs), for the price of one copy (or subscription).

They can do that with streaming as well of course, but it's already tricky enough to stream one game from the cloud, let alone multiple players at the same time.

XBox Blade: serves as XBox server in the house, install all digital games on it.
XBox Play: receiver that either streams from XBox Blade or streams from the Cloud.

Now you have the choice to use the XBox Blade for a single game, maxing all its performance for just your own experience. Or use it to run multiple instances of the same or different games to play together or play different games at better fidelity than from the cloud.

The lack of visual upgrades and peoples awareness of this is a big reason why I don't think MS would go the route of $1000 range console. Everyone learned during the 2020 lead up and launch that paper specs don't mean near as much as they used to, and can flat out lead you to believe more power means more better (visuals) and that's not necessarily the case in the grand scheme of things with console competition. You've also got big names in the news saying the visual console wars are over and something else will have to be the goal going forward. All the hardcore console gamers know this, and few casuals care about high end console hardware, so this ultra high end console route is something that would be very niche, so to me it makes little sense for MS to take this approach next gen.

I'd also say if MS were going to sell $1000 range console, then it has to be the only SKU. If they try and sell an ultra high end model, plus another S model, or even worse a handheld model, that they're going to end up with the same or even worse problems as Series S/X. MS knows that's a problem they need to solve for devs, so to me, in this case, it's either go ultra high end only, or go low end only. A handheld and S model with very similar hardware and performance fixes that problem and allows MS to keep their foot in the console door, while sticking their other foot in the handheld door. Those doors also have mass appeal, and allow XB the opportunity for far more sales potentially, if priced reasonably (low) enough. Pro and X models don't sell that well, where as S models have sold ok enough and Switch sales are incredible.

You're XB Play and XB blade idea are original enough that perhaps that's something MS could work with. I don't see it having mass appeal, at least not at first, but potentially much more appeal than simply a $1000 range console next gen. It ties into their play anywhere marketing nicely as well.

Last edited by EricHiggin - 1 day ago

IF they make an new Xbox they should do a premium console with exchangable parts. GPU, CPU, RAM, Cooler... you just name it different than in the PC business like "Blocks" and brand them in the Xbox way. Make Xbox compatible with AMD/ nVidia GPUs so this "Master Race" bullshit stops. But market it as a console. Unfortunally MS won't use a DD anymore wich will cost costumers like me but they could add the Steam store to make it more apealing even for PC gamers. The possibility to upgrade your console could make it more powerfull over time, especially if the PS6 really was more powerfull, so it could also be interesting for PS6 users. Upgradable options could get PCgamers in (of course Mouse and Keyboard support stays). The only way you could reject it then would be if someone is a real fanboy of another brand or hardcore MS hater no matter what they do... Of course changing their charity way of gaming back to full exclusivity would be a necessary step! If i was in charge, i would do it...