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Would you rather have the Switch or a powerful conventional Nintendo Home Console that competes with PS & Xbox?

Have a powerful conventio... 14 22.95%
 
Have the Switch as we know it today 47 77.05%
 
Total:61

Switch isn't getting games lol, this dude is hilarious.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

I don't think anyone considers the Switch a "monstrous and powerful console" considering its power is somewhere in between the Xbox 360/PS3 and Xbox One/PS4 with it being closer to the former. Even with its lack of hardware strength compared to the competition, it's still a very successful console for Nintendo with its exclusives and the third party support it has gotten over the past 7 years. That being said, with the Lite being the exception, the Switch family is both a home and a handheld console. Hence why its considered a hybrid.

The Switch has only received one big title one big third party title all year. Sonic shadow generations. How can anyone be happy about that and still defend the Switch? These devices are supposed to play games! Why defend a platform that isn't getting games?

I'm pretty sure I mentioned this already, but the Switch has been out for over 7 years, and even without getting the same third party support as the competition, it has still been a very successful console for Nintendo. They will be announcing their next console sometime soon. I don't know how strong it will be when they reveal it, but it should be a good amount stronger than the Switch.



Mr.GameCrazy said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

The Switch has only received one big title one big third party title all year. Sonic shadow generations. How can anyone be happy about that and still defend the Switch? These devices are supposed to play games! Why defend a platform that isn't getting games?

I'm pretty sure I mentioned this already, but the Switch has been out for over 7 years, and even without getting the same third party support as the competition, it has still been a very successful console for Nintendo. They will be announcing their next console sometime soon. I don't know how strong it will be when they reveal it, but it should be a good amount stronger than the Switch.

Yeah, it has been successful and I'm not trying to take that away from them. I OWN a switch. When a platform doesn't receive games it loses it's value because these platforms are designed to play games only. Only receiving one big third party game all year = the gaming platform i own losing value. What I'm saying is just basic economics. 



Nintendo could probably release a home only console today and it would do well but it would be a companion to the Switch (ie: the speculated original NX concept) and not a device with a completely unique library. Those days are over, no one can support two distinct platforms anymore. So it's not necessarily an either/or scenario. 

Things have changed. XBox is basically on its way out of the industry, so that leaves a fairly sizable open market just sitting there. Not everyone wants a Sony home console and Sony's own market has a declining roof, the PS4 capped out at about 114 mill, it looks like PS5 won't even reach that.

So the opening is there especially if XBox is headed to irrelevance. 

The GameCube was just a very different time and circumstance. The popular culture of the day (circa 2001) was hyper obsessed with being "cool" and grittiness, that isn't the case today. In 2001, something like Minecraft is probably not a hit, today pop culture has mellowed and nostalgia for one's childhood is the name of the game. In 2001, Eminem was the most popular star in music, today it's Taylor Swift. Anything cartoony in the early 2000s was frowned upon, today's it's not a big deal. It was just a bad time for a system like the GameCube to launch into, like trying to climb Mount Everest in a massive storm. 

Also at that time, XBox was the sexy "newcomer" and Halo was a huge breakout hit that upstaged things like Metroid Prime, whereas today XBox is the tired also-ran and Halo is a massively declined brand that MS hasn't been able to replicate again.

Meanwhile Nintendo's brand has grown immensely while Playstation has levelled off and XBox has declined a lot. IP like Mario (just hit a massively huge movie), Zelda have never been more popular, Pokemon continues to be huge, and things that people laughed at in the GameCube era like Animal Crossing have ironically today become massive blockbusters.

Nintendo is on the upswing, XBox is dying, Sony is kinda just stuck on their treadmill well below PS2 levels. In this environment, sure I think a Nintendo home console could do reasonably well, but it would be in addition to Switch, not at the expense thereof. It would probably just be something that runs Switch titles at home at higher settings and can share games. But something like that at this point is probably more appealing than the freaking XBox which is toast. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 02 December 2024

Soundwave said:

Nintendo could probably release a home only console today and it would do well but it would be a companion to the Switch (ie: the speculated original NX concept) and not a device with a completely unique library. Those days are over, no one can support two distinct platforms anymore. So it's not necessarily an either/or scenario. 

Things have changed. XBox is basically on its way out of the industry, so that leaves a fairly sizable open market just sitting there. Not everyone wants a Sony home console and Sony's own market has a declining roof, the PS4 capped out at about 114 mill, it looks like PS5 won't even reach that.

So the opening is there especially if XBox is headed to irrelevance. 

The GameCube was just a very different time and circumstance. The popular culture of the day (circa 2001) was hyper obsessed with being "cool" and grittiness, that isn't the case today. In 2001, something like Minecraft is probably not a hit, today pop culture has mellowed and nostalgia for one's childhood is the name of the game. In 2001, Eminem was the most popular star in music, today it's Taylor Swift. Anything cartoony in the early 2000s was frowned upon, today's it's not a big deal. It was just a bad time for a system like the GameCube to launch into, like trying to climb Mount Everest in a massive storm. 

Also at that time, XBox was the sexy "newcomer" and Halo was a huge breakout hit that upstaged things like Metroid Prime, whereas today XBox is the tired also-ran and Halo is a massively declined brand that MS hasn't been able to replicate again.

Meanwhile Nintendo's brand has grown immensely while Playstation has levelled off and XBox has declined a lot. IP like Mario (just hit a massively huge movie), Zelda have never been more popular, Pokemon continues to be huge, and things that people laughed at in the GameCube era like Animal Crossing have ironically today become massive blockbusters.

Nintendo is on the upswing, XBox is dying, Sony is kinda just stuck on their treadmill well below PS2 levels. In this environment, sure I think a Nintendo home console could do reasonably well, but it would be in addition to Switch, not at the expense thereof. It would probably just be something that runs Switch titles at home at higher settings and can share games. But something like that at this point is probably more appealing than the freaking XBox which is toast. 

PS5 just sold a million units WW last month. Wouldn't exactly call 1M units "being stuck on a treadmill"



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Soundwave said:

Nintendo could probably release a home only console today and it would do well but it would be a companion to the Switch (ie: the speculated original NX concept) and not a device with a completely unique library. Those days are over, no one can support two distinct platforms anymore. So it's not necessarily an either/or scenario. 

Things have changed. XBox is basically on its way out of the industry, so that leaves a fairly sizable open market just sitting there. Not everyone wants a Sony home console and Sony's own market has a declining roof, the PS4 capped out at about 114 mill, it looks like PS5 won't even reach that.

So the opening is there especially if XBox is headed to irrelevance. 

The GameCube was just a very different time and circumstance. The popular culture of the day (circa 2001) was hyper obsessed with being "cool" and grittiness, that isn't the case today. In 2001, something like Minecraft is probably not a hit, today pop culture has mellowed and nostalgia for one's childhood is the name of the game. In 2001, Eminem was the most popular star in music, today it's Taylor Swift. Anything cartoony in the early 2000s was frowned upon, today's it's not a big deal. It was just a bad time for a system like the GameCube to launch into, like trying to climb Mount Everest in a massive storm. 

Also at that time, XBox was the sexy "newcomer" and Halo was a huge breakout hit that upstaged things like Metroid Prime, whereas today XBox is the tired also-ran and Halo is a massively declined brand that MS hasn't been able to replicate again.

Meanwhile Nintendo's brand has grown immensely while Playstation has levelled off and XBox has declined a lot. IP like Mario (just hit a massively huge movie), Zelda have never been more popular, Pokemon continues to be huge, and things that people laughed at in the GameCube era like Animal Crossing have ironically today become massive blockbusters.

Nintendo is on the upswing, XBox is dying, Sony is kinda just stuck on their treadmill well below PS2 levels. In this environment, sure I think a Nintendo home console could do reasonably well, but it would be in addition to Switch, not at the expense thereof. It would probably just be something that runs Switch titles at home at higher settings and can share games. But something like that at this point is probably more appealing than the freaking XBox which is toast. 

PS5 just sold a million units WW last month. Wouldn't exactly call 1M units "being stuck on a treadmill"

Their audience is not growing really.

PS4 was 117 million, PS5 is trending below that, so maybe a finish of about 108-112 million? Maybe? 

XBox will be in massive decline especially as it becomes more obvious that their content will be available on other consoles. 

There's definitely growing room I think for a Nintendo home console, but it would be a companion to the Switch with the same games (more or less) not some kind of replacement. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 02 December 2024

EricHiggin said:

Macho Nacho has been working on his own Switch (Pro) home console prototype?

Double the stock clock speeds at the same hybrid temps? Leading to a smooth 60fps? Interesting this is!

For those who wouldn't watch the video, since it is 25 mins, I should've pointed out, that this Switch is basically totally stock parts, just with some minor additions and mods, besides the console case.

Nin could totally make a Switch 2 Hybrid, Lite, and Home Console this time, and it would be a piece of cake for them. They wouldn't even have to make the console specs exactly the same as the Hybrid. They could totally push the Hybrid hardware much harder in a console and get significantly better specs for those who wanted a box that was going to be forever tied to a TV, without having to worry about product longevity in this form factor.

The only question is would Nin bother, and would they charge a reasonable enough price?

Even if Nin kept the hardware specs identical to the Hybrid, the home console would totally be worth it, no question, if the price was cheap enough.

The more I think about it, the more I think Nin wouldn't try another power move, but very well may add a 3rd, similar enough SKU to the product stack.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Sephiran said:
JackHandy said:

If Nintendo released a home console that was as powerful as whatever Sony had on the market within the same gen? I'd be on that faster than a fast. They haven't done something like that since Gamecube... which was (not coincidentally) the last time I stood in line overnight for one of their consoles. I'd be over-the-moon excited.

Going for AAA graphics just doesn't make sense from a money making perspective, which is what Nintendo thinks about. I mean, its crazy that Nintendo has earned more profits during the Switch era than Sony Playstation has earned in 30 years from gaming. Graphical power race is simply a dead end from a profit perspective.

Yeah, but the thread was asking what would make me happy, not what would be best for Nintendo's bottom-line, or stock-holder's bank accounts. I bought almost all their handhelds throughout the years, and I loved them. But home consoles were always my main squeeze. And when Yamauchi was going toe-to-toe with everyone else, and we were getting games like Rouge Squadron 2 and Metroid Prime on the big screen, games that were either equal, or graphically superior to what was on Playstation and Xbox? It was just awesome. Pure bliss.

I miss it.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

I'm pretty sure I mentioned this already, but the Switch has been out for over 7 years, and even without getting the same third party support as the competition, it has still been a very successful console for Nintendo. They will be announcing their next console sometime soon. I don't know how strong it will be when they reveal it, but it should be a good amount stronger than the Switch.

Yeah, it has been successful and I'm not trying to take that away from them. I OWN a switch. When a platform doesn't receive games it loses it's value because these platforms are designed to play games only. Only receiving one big third party game all year = the gaming platform i own losing value. What I'm saying is just basic economics. 

I said it before and I'll say it again. Nintendo will reveal their Switch successor very soon. The fact that they mentioned it earlier this year means they're getting ready to move on from the Switch. I don't know when exactly they'll announce the successor, but we'll see it soon enough.

Anyway, out of curiosity, what Switch games do you have?



Mr.GameCrazy said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Yeah, it has been successful and I'm not trying to take that away from them. I OWN a switch. When a platform doesn't receive games it loses it's value because these platforms are designed to play games only. Only receiving one big third party game all year = the gaming platform i own losing value. What I'm saying is just basic economics. 

I said it before and I'll say it again. Nintendo will reveal their Switch successor very soon. The fact that they mentioned it earlier this year means they're getting ready to move on from the Switch. I don't know when exactly they'll announce the successor, but we'll see it soon enough.

Anyway, out of curiosity, what Switch games do you have?

Well I bought it over 5 years ago. Was my main console until I got a PS4 Pro. Felt so cool being able to play the necromancer for the first time on Diablo 3. The old PS3/360 couldn't get the necromancer or newer patches. The last thing I played on it was Streets of rage 4 but I rarely play it anymore because, as you say it's old and needs be replaced by a newer spec model.