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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Hiku said:

Since I'm of a similar mindset, I'm wondering why you think Switch isn't a console? 

I've glanced back at some of your posts to find your definition, but rather than saying why something isn't console, you seem to be explaining why something is a handheld.

But what makes PS4 a console? And is Switch lacking that?

Ok. The PS4 has a high power draw and a design that shows it clearly is meant to sit stationary and be powered off of the wall. The switch has a low power draw and that means it's primary function is that of a handheld. 

Would you consider the WiiU to not be a home console 34W - 75W draw? 

The Switch dock also adds USB to the mix.  I use one for an ethernet dongle and the other is sometimes used for a wired controller.  I only mention this since I have not seen it brought up.

Didn't Nintendo also patent added processing power to a dock or am I remembering incorrectly?



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It doesn't matter what something is sold as because people can see what something is and how it functions. The ROG ally is a much better docked gaming experience than Switch, but it wasn't even sold as a docked experience. It was sold as a portable one, because that is how it primarily functions. Switch is the same but Nintendo just chose to market it as a hybrid console instead. How something is sold as is just marketing, how something functions is tangible. 

Nomad - genesis chipset + screen + battery = Handheld.

Genesis = just chipset. Requires power and TV = Home console 

Dismissing what it is sold as based on how it's viewed and functioned as would be fine IF the PSP was viewed as a home console by really anyone. But the vast majority of people never even experienced it's dock, and out of the ones that did I doubt many or even ANY consider it a home console or a hybrid. It just isn't it's primary function and isn't viewed that way.

The primary function of the Switch IS a hybrid though. Many people play it only docked. There are games which effectively require docked play (Super Mario Party, Ring Fit, Switch Sports). There are lots of people that play it primarily as a handheld too, of course. The majority of people (and Nintendo has shared data on this) use both it's dock function AND its portable function though. 

The Nomad can be plugged into the TV. It's the exact same thing as the PSP dock situation. You stating it is a handheld proves the point that function isn't necessarily what determines what something is actually used as, and what it is viewed as and sold as are greater indicators as to what it is.



The_Yoda said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Ok. The PS4 has a high power draw and a design that shows it clearly is meant to sit stationary and be powered off of the wall. The switch has a low power draw and that means it's primary function is that of a handheld. 

Would you consider the WiiU to not be a home console 34W - 75W draw? 

The Switch dock also adds USB to the mix.  I use one for an ethernet dongle and the other is sometimes used for a wired controller.  I only mention this since I have not seen it brought up.

Didn't Nintendo also patent added processing power to a dock or am I remembering incorrectly?

If WiiU had a battery in it that it could run off for afew hours, then it would be debatable that it is a portable. Realistically though it would cost way too much and require way too much space to have a battery that can run a roughly 50W device for afew hours. So nope it's definitely home console. 

Doctor_MG said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It doesn't matter what something is sold as because people can see what something is and how it functions. The ROG ally is a much better docked gaming experience than Switch, but it wasn't even sold as a docked experience. It was sold as a portable one, because that is how it primarily functions. Switch is the same but Nintendo just chose to market it as a hybrid console instead. How something is sold as is just marketing, how something functions is tangible. 

Nomad - genesis chipset + screen + battery = Handheld.

Genesis = just chipset. Requires power and TV = Home console 

Dismissing what it is sold as based on how it's viewed and functioned as would be fine IF the PSP was viewed as a home console by really anyone. But the vast majority of people never even experienced it's dock, and out of the ones that did I doubt many or even ANY consider it a home console or a hybrid. It just isn't it's primary function and isn't viewed that way.

The primary function of the Switch IS a hybrid though. Many people play it only docked. There are games which effectively require docked play (Super Mario Party, Ring Fit, Switch Sports). There are lots of people that play it primarily as a handheld too, of course. The majority of people (and Nintendo has shared data on this) use both it's dock function AND its portable function though. 

The Nomad can be plugged into the TV. It's the exact same thing as the PSP dock situation. You stating it is a handheld proves the point that function isn't necessarily what determines what something is actually used as, and what it is viewed as and sold as are greater indicators as to what it is.

I don't think we should go by how it is viewed either. I think I came across wrong there. Sold as/viewed as/used as is all irrelevant. Function doesn't change depending on how something is sold/viewed/used. You can sell something/use something/and view something how you want but it will never change it's primary function. 

If the Switch lite can provide an experience close enough to the regular switch, that proves the dock is not integral to it's primary function. If the switch without the dock was like a bird without wings, how could they market it and sell it? It's easy, it's because the dock isn't integral enough to the functioning of the switch because it's a handheld first. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I don't think we should go by how it is viewed either. I think I came across wrong there. Sold as/viewed as/used as is all irrelevant. Function doesn't change depending on how something is sold/viewed/used. You can sell something/use something/and view something how you want but it will never change it's primary function. 

If the Switch lite can provide an experience close enough to the regular switch, that proves the dock is not integral to it's primary function. If the switch without the dock was like a bird without wings, how could they market it and sell it? It's easy, it's because the dock isn't integral enough to the functioning of the switch because it's a handheld first. 

Okay, so I'm going to stop arguing here because now you're just completely inconsistent. First you say that the function matters so much that what it is marketed as doesn't matter at all. Meanwhile, in the second paragraph you then suggest the Switch having the ability to be docked (a function) doesn't matter at all because it's not "integral" enough to the experience. 

So PSP can count because of the same reason Switch doesn't? Pick one. 



Doctor_MG said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I don't think we should go by how it is viewed either. I think I came across wrong there. Sold as/viewed as/used as is all irrelevant. Function doesn't change depending on how something is sold/viewed/used. You can sell something/use something/and view something how you want but it will never change it's primary function. 

If the Switch lite can provide an experience close enough to the regular switch, that proves the dock is not integral to it's primary function. If the switch without the dock was like a bird without wings, how could they market it and sell it? It's easy, it's because the dock isn't integral enough to the functioning of the switch because it's a handheld first. 

Okay, so I'm going to stop arguing here because now you're just completely inconsistent. First you say that the function matters so much that what it is marketed as doesn't matter at all. Meanwhile, in the second paragraph you then suggest the Switch having the ability to be docked (a function) doesn't matter at all because it's not "integral" enough to the experience. 

So PSP can count because of the same reason Switch doesn't? Pick one.  

Neither of them count, that's my point.  Having something on a dock isn't a function. Even if you just leave the switch in the dock with no power and not being used, the switch is technically docked. A dock is just something that something else sits in. The dock itself doesn't function, without the Switch it can't do anything. It's like connecting your phone/ laptop to a TV and then giving 50% of credit to the cable.  



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Doctor_MG said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It doesn't matter what something is sold as because people can see what something is and how it functions. The ROG ally is a much better docked gaming experience than Switch, but it wasn't even sold as a docked experience. It was sold as a portable one, because that is how it primarily functions. Switch is the same but Nintendo just chose to market it as a hybrid console instead. How something is sold as is just marketing, how something functions is tangible. 

Nomad - genesis chipset + screen + battery = Handheld.

Genesis = just chipset. Requires power and TV = Home console 

Dismissing what it is sold as based on how it's viewed and functioned as would be fine IF the PSP was viewed as a home console by really anyone. But the vast majority of people never even experienced it's dock, and out of the ones that did I doubt many or even ANY consider it a home console or a hybrid. It just isn't it's primary function and isn't viewed that way.

The primary function of the Switch IS a hybrid though. Many people play it only docked. There are games which effectively require docked play (Super Mario Party, Ring Fit, Switch Sports). There are lots of people that play it primarily as a handheld too, of course. The majority of people (and Nintendo has shared data on this) use both it's dock function AND its portable function though. 

The Nomad can be plugged into the TV. It's the exact same thing as the PSP dock situation. You stating it is a handheld proves the point that function isn't necessarily what determines what something is actually used as, and what it is viewed as and sold as are greater indicators as to what it is.

Nomad also has a second controller option tho which PSP did not.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

You can't even connect a controller to the PSP. Only to the PSP Go is this possible, and then you need a PS3 (or alternatively a PC) to do the pairing, at which point the PSP Go is basicly just peripheral for the real home console.



Easiest and most logical classification is it's a hybrid. Being classified as portable or home console only is factually incorrect.



What makes Switch a functional home console isn't just that you can connect the device to a TV, it's that you do not lose a single feature of a Nintendo home console with it. That's why calling Switch a hybrid console is the correct way to go about it, whereas only the Switch Lite is a handheld console. Switch works well as both a home console and a handheld console, something we've never seen before.

Then you look at the PSP and can easily recognize that it absolutely does not compare favorably to the PS3. The PSP doesn't have the graphics, it doesn't have the multiplayer features, and most importantly, it doesn't even have the games. Pretty much every big Sony game was exclusive to the PS3. The PSP is merely a handheld that could connect to the TV, hence why back in the day nobody ever asked if this one feature suddenly made the PSP a home console or work akin to one.

You might as well make a thread to ask if the Super Game Boy turned Game Boy games into home console games because the SNES accessory made these games playable on a TV, because that's just as stupid as a premise as the one of this thread.

It's actually very easy to understand the difference between handheld games being played on a TV and home console games being able to be played on the go, provided you are a gamer. Just look at Switch's launch title Breath of the Wild: It clearly wasn't a handheld Zelda game.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Neither of them count, that's my point.  Having something on a dock isn't a function. Even if you just leave the switch in the dock with no power and not being used, the switch is technically docked. A dock is just something that something else sits in. The dock itself doesn't function, without the Switch it can't do anything. It's like connecting your phone/ laptop to a TV and then giving 50% of credit to the cable.  

Maybe it doesn't count for you, but it counts for me and just about everyone else.