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Cerebralbore101 3 hours ago

When you hook a PSP up to any TV this is what you get.

PSP doesn't output the correct resolution to fill either a CRT or a flatscreen entirely. Source: I actually owned a PSP and a set of component cables. I'm surprised by the number of youtube videos out there that completely ignore this. They show PS1 games or something else that has the rare ability to fill the screen.

Because PSP doesn't do home console play very well it is not a hybrid IMO.



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Hardstuck-Platinum 3 hours ago
160rmf said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly

Thats because they are archaic and limited.

Its like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having touch-screen.

Again, home consoles are able to have multiple controllers to play on a single display connected to the main system.

That's why games developed with that funcionality in mind can't be ported on handhelds.

Cut the straw man

Being archaic and limited doesn't disqualify something from having it's status. Like you said, it would be like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having a touchscreen. There's no rules about home consoles having to have multiple controllers and local mutiplayer support, if there was the CDi could not classify as a home console. 

Vinther1991 said:

Can you connect external controllers? Can you play on the TV without holding the whole console in your hands? Does it do split-screen multiplayer? Can you do it out of the box? Does it upscale the resolution?

Yes you can connect a DS3 controller to the PSP go whilst it is connected to the TV. yes you can play the PSP go on a TV without having the handheld in your hands. Can't do split-screen multiplayer but neither can most Philips CDi's, and that is still regarded as a home console. Upscaling of resolution is irrelevant because you can buy external upscalers. Resolutions don't determine whether something qualifies as a home console. If it did, all the older consoles would get disqualified for having too low of a resolution. 

bdbdbd said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

NES is just as much of a computer as a gaming PC? A single purpose games console that has no OS (I looked it up) is just as much of a computer as a gaming PC? How exactly does a computer operate without an OS? They're called operating systems for a reason, you need them to operate the computer. Are you trying to say that just because the computer turns on when you press the button it is technically "operating" and therefore doesn't need the OS to be operated by the user? 

Computer operates like the program you're using tells it to, doesn't matter if the program is operating system, a game or a spreadsheed app. On a technical level, computer is the circuitry required to do computing. Videogame consoles are a type of computers that are called videogame consoles because of the task they're designed to perform, which is to play videogames. 

OK. We're overcomplicating this. Computers are open platforms, consoles are closed platforms. To develop a game on console in a professional way you need a development kit and permission to release the game from the console maker. People are trying to be smart and bamboozle with me technical jargon about computers but why are we comparing open platforms to closed platforms? 



TheRealSamusAran 3 hours ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I see a lot of people claiming the NSW is a home console because it connects to a TV via a passthrough box. Well, the PSP could also connect/be played on a TV via a cable. If you consider the NSW a home console because it connects to a TV via passthrough, then you must be consistent and consider the PSP a home console too. What do you think about this, and people being inconsistent with their views towards PSP and NSW both being "home consoles", even when they had the same feature. 

Wow, you're so right. The PlayStation and Xbox aren't home consoles either, they are just PCs, because consoles can't have x86 architectures! See, I can make arbitrary rules of what a home console can and can't be too!



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160rmf 3 hours ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
160rmf said:

Thats because they are archaic and limited.

Its like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having touch-screen.

Again, home consoles are able to have multiple controllers to play on a single display connected to the main system.

That's why games developed with that funcionality in mind can't be ported on handhelds.

Cut the straw man

Being archaic and limited doesn't disqualify something from having it's status. Like you said, it would be like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having a touchscreen. There's no rules about home consoles having to have multiple controllers and local mutiplayer support, if there was the CDi could not classify as a home console. 

This is not about rules. This is about things they are able to pull.

CDi not having multiple controllers support was a cheap choice. Not something that was limited by the hardware form factor. We got consoles way before CDi that could do that

A handheld is able to play everywhere. Home console don't 

Home consoles are able to have multiple controllers. Handheld don't

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TheRealSamusAran 3 hours ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SuperJortendo said:

I'm going to say this again for the last time then I'm gonna try to enjoy Thanksgiving and pretend you don't exist for a day or two.

The PSP does what the Switch does as a home console only in the sense that it can be played on a TV. And even then, it's only later models that are able to do so with an extra peripheral, and it's still lacking everything else most people consider important in a home console experience.

It doesn't have the ability to connect multiple controllers. There will be no local multi-player unless someone else brings their own PSP and you play on wifi or something. If you have the cable to connect the PSP to the TV and don't have any wireless controllers then you can only use the PSP as a controller, which is connected to a short cable to the TV. Not a comfortable experience. 

I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of right now, but this debate is so pointless. Lol. Happy Thanksgiving everybody who celebrates it

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly

Honestly, I support that idea. Let's downgrade the Philips CDi to a CD player, that only played bad CDs.



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BasilZero 2 hours ago

The Switch is a home console that can be played portable.
-Switch OG , 2.0 and OLED were focused as home consoles with the ability to play portable
-Switch Lite is exclusively portable

The PSP was a portable that can be connected as a home console.
-The PSP 1000 series is exclusively portable
-The PSP 2000 and 3000 series were focused as portable consoles with the ability to act as home console (though not like a hybrid console, it was just an additional feature).



Hardstuck-Platinum 1 hour ago
Cerebralbore101 said:

When you hook a PSP up to any TV this is what you get.

PSP doesn't output the correct resolution to fill either a CRT or a flatscreen entirely. Source: I actually owned a PSP and a set of component cables. I'm surprised by the number of youtube videos out there that completely ignore this. They show PS1 games or something else that has the rare ability to fill the screen.

Because PSP doesn't do home console play very well it is not a hybrid IMO.

Most TV's have a "fit to screen" option, where they will take an input resolution and then adjust it to fit the whole screen. If you don't like the low resolution you could just use an adapter to boost the resolution. There have been lots of consoles that didn't fit to a whole screen, like the European Sega genesis. It had black bars on the screen but that didn't make it any less of a console. 

160rmf said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Being archaic and limited doesn't disqualify something from having it's status. Like you said, it would be like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having a touchscreen. There's no rules about home consoles having to have multiple controllers and local mutiplayer support, if there was the CDi could not classify as a home console. 

This is not about rules. This is about things they are able to pull.

CDi not having multiple controllers support was a cheap choice. Not something that was limited by the hardware form factor. We got consoles way before CDi that could do that

A handheld is able to play everywhere. Home console don't 

Home consoles are able to have multiple controllers. Handheld don't

You don't need multiple controllers to have a multiplayer experience. There is air hockey on smartphones where you can have two local players. There are also games on Wii U where you play multiplayer games with a single gamepad. You can't just tie local multiplayer and multiple controllers together as if they live and die with one another. 

Also, with an external screen and large external battery a home console would technically be able to be played anywhere, but calling it a portable console would be disingenuous 



160rmf 11 minutes ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
160rmf said:

This is not about rules. This is about things they are able to pull.

CDi not having multiple controllers support was a cheap choice. Not something that was limited by the hardware form factor. We got consoles way before CDi that could do that

A handheld is able to play everywhere. Home console don't 

Home consoles are able to have multiple controllers. Handheld don't

You don't need multiple controllers to have a multiplayer experience. There is air hockey on smartphones where you can have two local players. There are also games on Wii U where you play multiplayer games with a single gamepad. You can't just tie local multiplayer and multiple controllers together as if they live and die with one another. 

Also, with an external screen and large external battery a home console would technically be able to be played anywhere, but calling it a portable console would be disingenuous 

Again pulling a straw man. Yeah, you listed local multiplayer experiences suitable for handhelds.

But syncing multiple external controllers on the same system is only possible on home consoles and you would have a local multiplayer experience suitable only for that configuration



 

 

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Hardstuck-Platinum 2 minutes ago
160rmf said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

You don't need multiple controllers to have a multiplayer experience. There is air hockey on smartphones where you can have two local players. There are also games on Wii U where you play multiplayer games with a single gamepad. You can't just tie local multiplayer and multiple controllers together as if they live and die with one another. 

Also, with an external screen and large external battery a home console would technically be able to be played anywhere, but calling it a portable console would be disingenuous 

Again pulling a straw man. Yeah, you listed local multiplayer experiences suitable for handhelds.

But syncing multiple external controllers on the same system is only possible on home consoles and you would have a local multiplayer experience suitable only for that configuration

How come when I google connecting multiple controllers to android phone I get lots of results then? Is that a straw man argument too? You can't just define a home console as being something that can have multiple controllers connected to it. If that is the case, android phones are home consoles too. If you were then to say "ok, it's not about the controllers, it's about the multiplayer experience", well android phones have that too.