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curl-6 on 26 October 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
curl-6 said:

And yet the Switch will most likely sell more than the PS5 lifetime; clearly there is more to gaming than just the latest COD/GTA.

Sony doesn't give a stuff if switch sells more than PS5, as it's just a mini tablet powered by a Tegra X1. They also won't give a stuff if Lego Horizons sells more copies on Switch either. There's more to console success than hardware sales alone. Just look at the Wii, and the DS. Sold a lot of Hardware units but generated much lower profits than the switch has. 

Nintendo doesn't care how much PS5 sells either, as it poses no threat to the Switch.

The "console wars" have always been about sales.



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Hardstuck-Platinum on 27 October 2024
curl-6 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Sony doesn't give a stuff if switch sells more than PS5, as it's just a mini tablet powered by a Tegra X1. They also won't give a stuff if Lego Horizons sells more copies on Switch either. There's more to console success than hardware sales alone. Just look at the Wii, and the DS. Sold a lot of Hardware units but generated much lower profits than the switch has. 

Nintendo doesn't care how much PS5 sells either, as it poses no threat to the Switch.

The "console wars" have always been about sales.

Well if Nintendo doesn't see the PS5 as competition then surely it would be ok with releasing it's games on there then? The fact that they aren't means they know that it does pose a threat to it. Sony on the other hand, Lego horizon adventures on Switch is no problem for them.



Hardstuck-Platinum on 27 October 2024
Norion said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Geez. A shift in strategy doesn't automatically mean a de-prioritising of the console. Yes, Sony has been putting games on PC but that doesn't change that their main priority is still selling their console. Their target is to "out console" the competitors. MS has explicitly stated that they are no longer trying to "out console" anyone. Xbone, XBS consoles, and PS4' all have the ability to interfere with a sale of a PS5 because they are potential rival consoles. A switch does not have the capability to prevent the sale of a PS5 because it is so vastly inferior technically and cannot play the latest games like COD and GTA6. Even the Xbone and PS4 even have the latest COD available

This isn't fully true. The Switch does overall compete with the PS5 for sales much less than Xbox and PC but it still will have had an impact the past few years since people have a limited amount of time and money. If only one console can be afforded or if someone only has enough time to use one buying a Switch can totally mean a lost PS5 sale, especially in Japan due to how dominant the Switch is there. And the Switch 2 will have an even greater impact since it's gonna get COD and in general lots more big modern games than the Switch got.

Like I keep trying to say, if Sony saw the Switch as a threat to them they wouldn't be releasing Lego Horizon adventures on there, like they aren't releasing it on Xbox or PS4. They clearly don't feel threatened by the Switch. No-one has given me an explanation for this, other than trying to reverse-logic me by using Xbox as an example , even though they have explicitly stated they aren't trying to "out-console" anyone anymore anyway.  



Norion on 27 October 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

This isn't fully true. The Switch does overall compete with the PS5 for sales much less than Xbox and PC but it still will have had an impact the past few years since people have a limited amount of time and money. If only one console can be afforded or if someone only has enough time to use one buying a Switch can totally mean a lost PS5 sale, especially in Japan due to how dominant the Switch is there. And the Switch 2 will have an even greater impact since it's gonna get COD and in general lots more big modern games than the Switch got.

Like I keep trying to say, if Sony saw the Switch as a threat to them they wouldn't be releasing Lego Horizon adventures on there, like they aren't releasing it on Xbox or PS4. They clearly don't feel threatened by the Switch. No-one has given me an explanation for this, other than trying to reverse-logic me by using Xbox as an example , even though they have explicitly stated they aren't trying to "out-console" anyone anymore anyway.  

By that logic they consider PC even less of a threat than the Switch which is nonsensical since the recent growth of that platform definitely has a bigger negative impact on Playstation hardware sales than the Switch. A major reason they created the PS4 Pro was to prevent PS4 owners from switching to PC due to the increasing power gap.



JRPGfan on 27 October 2024
curl-6 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

The difference is, is that Phil Spencer has explicitly stated that they are not trying to out console Sony or Nintendo anymore. They have voluntarily dropped out of the console war. So, yes MS is not threatened by Sony or Nintendo anymore because they are not trying to sell more consoles than them. They are just trying to sell Gamepass and their games on other platforms now. For Sony and Nintendo, that is not the case. Their business model relies on them selling their console and handhelds.

So, yes MS is putting their games elsewhere because they are not threatened by console makers anymore, as they have shifted strategy

You could say much the same about Sony though; putting Horizon Adventures on Switch is due to their shift in strategy towards trying to maximise the reach of their software and increasing revenue by selling on PC and Switch rather than prioritizing exclusivity and hardware sales.

We found out that lego was actually the ones that approached Sony and not the other way around.
They wanted to do a Horizon do. Sony said yes, and the reason its likely not on xbox is probably because sony asked them for that.
Meanwhile sony didn't have a issue with it being on Switch (or lego asked them really nicely.... or demanded that).

sometimes that just how things work out.

Also I suspect Lego is carrying most of the work, and the bill for the game development.
In that sense, them saying to Sony, listen, we want it on switch.... and Sony giving them a okay for it, doesn't seem that extreme.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

This isn't fully true. The Switch does overall compete with the PS5 for sales much less than Xbox and PC but it still will have had an impact the past few years since people have a limited amount of time and money. If only one console can be afforded or if someone only has enough time to use one buying a Switch can totally mean a lost PS5 sale, especially in Japan due to how dominant the Switch is there. And the Switch 2 will have an even greater impact since it's gonna get COD and in general lots more big modern games than the Switch got.

Like I keep trying to say, if Sony saw the Switch as a threat to them they wouldn't be releasing Lego Horizon adventures on there, like they aren't releasing it on Xbox or PS4. They clearly don't feel threatened by the Switch. No-one has given me an explanation for this, other than trying to reverse-logic me by using Xbox as an example , even though they have explicitly stated they aren't trying to "out-console" anyone anymore anyway.  

The reason, is Lego is doing most of the hard lifting here, and footing the majority of the funding for the game.
They probably just said they need it on the switch for sales.



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rapsuperstar31 on 27 October 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
curl-6 said:

And yet the Switch will most likely sell more than the PS5 lifetime; clearly there is more to gaming than just the latest COD/GTA.

Sony doesn't give a stuff if switch sells more than PS5, as it's just a mini tablet powered by a Tegra X1. They also won't give a stuff if Lego Horizons sells more copies on Switch either. There's more to console success than hardware sales alone. Just look at the Wii, and the DS. Sold a lot of Hardware units but generated much lower profits than the switch has. 

If my gaming ratio is 55/40/5 Nintendo/Playstation/Xbox, that's 60% of my gaming time I could be buying and playing Playstation games that I'm not.



curl-6 on 27 October 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
curl-6 said:

Nintendo doesn't care how much PS5 sells either, as it poses no threat to the Switch.

The "console wars" have always been about sales.

Well if Nintendo doesn't see the PS5 as competition then surely it would be ok with releasing it's games on there then? The fact that they aren't means they know that it does pose a threat to it. Sony on the other hand, Lego horizon adventures on Switch is no problem for them.

By that logic, shouldn't Sony put all their first party games on Xbox, since the Series doesn't pose a threat to PS5?

The numbers simply don't support the idea that PS5 is a threat to the Switch; the Switch has coexisted with the PS5 for the majority of its life, and yet it is on track to become either the #1 or #2 highest selling console of all time.

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twintail on 27 October 2024
padib said:

The stars are aligning for Nintendo. Great, they stayed strong over 6 very competitive generations after the NES and eventually came out on top, they absolutely deserve it.

Now that the business has reorganized and expanded with newer blood, the timing is right for them to enjoy a brief period of peace and prosperity.

Wrong thread?



Hardstuck-Platinum on 28 October 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Like I keep trying to say, if Sony saw the Switch as a threat to them they wouldn't be releasing Lego Horizon adventures on there, like they aren't releasing it on Xbox or PS4. They clearly don't feel threatened by the Switch. No-one has given me an explanation for this, other than trying to reverse-logic me by using Xbox as an example , even though they have explicitly stated they aren't trying to "out-console" anyone anymore anyway.  

The reason, is Lego is doing most of the hard lifting here, and footing the majority of the funding for the game.
They probably just said they need it on the switch for sales.

Again, as I keep trying to say, If it's all because of Lego and not Sony then why is not on Xbone, XBS consoles and PS4? All those consoles are capable of running it, and surely Lego would want the games on the most platforms possible? That's about 200 million consoles sold they are missing out on. 

This clearly proves that it was Sony that ultimately decided the platforms it would be on, and for them putting it on Switch was worth it because Switch is no real threat to them. It's a win win for Sony and Lego. I actually find it very strange that people on here think Sony is threatened by a Tegra X1. A chip that is almost 10 years old



Hardstuck-Platinum on 28 October 2024
curl-6 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well if Nintendo doesn't see the PS5 as competition then surely it would be ok with releasing it's games on there then? The fact that they aren't means they know that it does pose a threat to it. Sony on the other hand, Lego horizon adventures on Switch is no problem for them.

By that logic, shouldn't Sony put all their first party games on Xbox, since the Series doesn't pose a threat to PS5?

The numbers simply don't support the idea that PS5 is a threat to the Switch; the Switch has coexisted with the PS5 for the majority of its life, and yet it is on track to become either the #1 or #2 highest selling console of all time.

Trying the reverse logic again. It's different for Sony because the Series S is so much weaker than the PS5 that it would be difficult/impossible to get a game designed to run on PS5 to work on Series S. It either wouldn't work at all or it would take loads of development time and money for them only to achieve it running at 30fps. The power differential between the two is enormous. Game sales are also extremely low on Xbox as most users just use gamepass anyway, so there is no guarantee they would make the money back that they poured in to try and get the game working on there. 

So yes, if it was easy to get the games on there and people actually bought games on Xbox, sure, I think Sony could go ahead and do that just like Lego horizons on Switch.  In terms of hardware power, getting a Switch game to run on PS5, no problem at all and the incentive is there because there is good game sales on PS5. They won't though will they, because PS5 is their competitor.  

Last edited by Hardstuck-Platinum - on 28 October 2024