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Which do you think was the better system?

Xbox 26 46.43%
 
Dreamcast 30 53.57%
 
Total:56

I guess I need to educate people on how epic Sega consoles are. That will take a long time, so I'll just do it thread by thread for each system.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chrkeller said:

Microsoft Gaming revenue is 15 billion annually...  so no, that isn't true.  Microsoft Gaming is incredibly profitable and successful.  

1st off I'm talking about back in the early 2000's when the Xbox division bled money left and right.

2nd off, of course Xbox makes money now. They bought half of all western devs. Kind of hard to lose money when you own nearly everything.

MS gaming has been making billions for many, many years now.  MS gaming is far more successful than people think it is.  



Chrkeller said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1st off I'm talking about back in the early 2000's when the Xbox division bled money left and right.

2nd off, of course Xbox makes money now. They bought half of all western devs. Kind of hard to lose money when you own nearly everything.

MS gaming has been making billions for many, many years now.  MS gaming is far more successful than people think it is.  

It wasn't until halfway through the 360 era that MS finally announced that Xbox was profitable. You don't know what you are talking about.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Chrkeller said:

MS gaming has been making billions for many, many years now.  MS gaming is far more successful than people think it is.  

It wasn't until halfway through the 360 era that MS finally announced that Xbox was profitable. You don't know what you are talking about.

MS gaming division is more than Xbox.  Xbox is under the gaming division.  You don't know what you are talking about.  



Chrkeller said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

It wasn't until halfway through the 360 era that MS finally announced that Xbox was profitable. You don't know what you are talking about.

MS gaming division is more than Xbox.  Xbox is under the gaming division.  You don't know what you are talking about.  

We are talking about 2001 to 2009. Not today. Xbox would have completely flopped if MS hadn't poured billions into it for over 5 years at the start. That's a fact. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chrkeller said:

Microsoft Gaming revenue is 15 billion annually...  so no, that isn't true.  Microsoft Gaming is incredibly profitable and successful.  

1st off I'm talking about back in the early 2000's when the Xbox division bled money left and right.

2nd off, of course Xbox makes money now. They bought half of all western devs. Kind of hard to lose money when you own nearly everything.

They were making money before they brought half the industry. The XB1 was on profitable and I believe half way through the 360 they turned it around due to high software sales and subscription money.



Azzanation said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1st off I'm talking about back in the early 2000's when the Xbox division bled money left and right.

2nd off, of course Xbox makes money now. They bought half of all western devs. Kind of hard to lose money when you own nearly everything.

They were making money before they brought half the industry. The XB1 was on profitable and I believe half way through the 360 they turned it around due to high software sales and subscription money.

There was a period of time where they were not making money towards the end of the XB1 generation when they made all those acquisitions. Xbox wasn't profitable. The personal computing arm of MS was profitable. That included Windows, Xbox, and a whole bunch of other stuff. But it was Windows and the other stuff that paid the bills making it profitable. Not the sales of Xbox consoles, or software, or subscriptions. Xbox as it was in 2017 is dead weight and still loses money. It's the Blizzard/Activision/Bethesda part of Xbox that actually pays the bills.

Anyway my point stands. Sega found success on their own, even if it was only for a single generation. Xbox would have been DOA if not for MS losing billions on it.

Also, Sega had and still has a better games development department than Xbox. That's why Dreamcast wins this battle. They courted 3rd party developers to bring over tons of great arcade games to Dreamcast. They made plenty of their own smash hits. Dreamcast had more kickass exclusives when they left the market in 2001 than XB1 had after seven years on the market. More than OG Xbox had when it was replaced by 360 too.

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 08 November 2024

Notable Dreamcast console exclusive games during the Dreamcast's lifetime...

Soul Calibur
Jet Set Radio
Skies of Arcadia
Marvel VS Capcom 2
Grandia 2
Samba De Amigo
Phantasy Star Online
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Shenmue
Shenmue 2
Power Stone
Power Stone 2
Metropolis Street Racer
Bangai-O
Sega GT
Street Fighter III
Typing of the Dead
House of the Dead 2
Crazy Taxi
Crazy Taxi 2
Project Justice
Ooga Booga
Capcom VS SNK
Fatal Fury Mark of the Wolves
Chu Chu Rocket
Mars Matrix
Gigawing
Gigawing 2
Under Defeat
Dead or Alive 2
Virtua Fighter 3
Daytona USA (Massive Upgrade from Saturn)
Maken X
Cannon Spike
Joe Joe's Bizzare Adventure
Seaman
Elemental Gimmick Gear
Zombie Revenge
Dynamite Cop
Tech Romancer
Sega Rally 2
Record of Lodoss War
Confidential Mission
Tokyo Extreme Racer 2
Gunbird 2
Quake III Arena
Resident Evil Code Veronica
KOF Evolution
Outrigger
The Last Blade 2
Unreal Tournament
Wacky Races
Virtual On 2
Test Drive Le Mans
Wacky Races
M.D.K.

Notable Xbox Console Exclusives during it's lifetime...


Halo
Halo 2
Ninja Gaiden Black
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights 2
Forza Motorsport
Half Life 2
Project Gotham Racing 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta (Made by Sega)
Jade Empire
Riddick
JSRF (Made by Sega)
Morrowwind
Doom 3
Oddworld Stranger's Wrath
Oddworld Munch's Odyssey
Crimson Skies
Dead or Alive 3 (Made by Sega)
Dead or Alive Ultimate (Made by Sega)
Mechassault
Unreal Championship 2
Unreal Championship
Farcry Instincts
Project Gotham Racing
Fable
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Dues Ex Invisible War
Steel Battalion
Sega GT (Made by Sega)
Theif Deadly Shadows
Phantom Dust
Kingdom Under Fire
Mech Assault 2
Otogi (Published by Sega)
Otogi 2 (Published by Sega)

As anyone can clearly see Dreamcast did almost twice as much in under 2 years as the original Xbox did in it's entire lifetime when it comes to making good games.








Cerebralbore101 said:
Azzanation said:

They were making money before they brought half the industry. The XB1 was on profitable and I believe half way through the 360 they turned it around due to high software sales and subscription money.

There was a period of time where they were not making money towards the end of the XB1 generation when they made all those acquisitions. Xbox wasn't profitable. The personal computing arm of MS was profitable. That included Windows, Xbox, and a whole bunch of other stuff. But it was Windows and the other stuff that paid the bills making it profitable. Not the sales of Xbox consoles, or software, or subscriptions. Xbox as it was in 2017 is dead weight and still loses money. It's the Blizzard/Activision/Bethesda part of Xbox that actually pays the bills.

Anyway my point stands. Sega found success on their own, even if it was only for a single generation. Xbox would have been DOA if not for MS losing billions on it.

Also, Sega had and still has a better games development department than Xbox. That's why Dreamcast wins this battle. They courted 3rd party developers to bring over tons of great arcade games to Dreamcast. They made plenty of their own smash hits. Dreamcast had more kickass exclusives when they left the market in 2001 than XB1 had after seven years on the market. More than OG Xbox had when it was replaced by 360 too.

Want to know what's funny. The last Xbox game was in 2008. A Madden game. The last official Dreamcast game released in 2007. Karous a shmup. Now go check Ebay prices and see which one is in more demand. Dreamcast games generally in more demand with retro collectors.

Last edited by Leynos - on 08 November 2024

Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Cerebralbore101 said:
Azzanation said:

They were making money before they brought half the industry. The XB1 was on profitable and I believe half way through the 360 they turned it around due to high software sales and subscription money.

There was a period of time where they were not making money towards the end of the XB1 generation when they made all those acquisitions. Xbox wasn't profitable. The personal computing arm of MS was profitable. That included Windows, Xbox, and a whole bunch of other stuff. But it was Windows and the other stuff that paid the bills making it profitable. Not the sales of Xbox consoles, or software, or subscriptions. Xbox as it was in 2017 is dead weight and still loses money. It's the Blizzard/Activision/Bethesda part of Xbox that actually pays the bills.

Anyway my point stands. Sega found success on their own, even if it was only for a single generation. Xbox would have been DOA if not for MS losing billions on it.

Also, Sega had and still has a better games development department than Xbox. That's why Dreamcast wins this battle. They courted 3rd party developers to bring over tons of great arcade games to Dreamcast. They made plenty of their own smash hits. Dreamcast had more kickass exclusives when they left the market in 2001 than XB1 had after seven years on the market. More than OG Xbox had when it was replaced by 360 too.

Thats incorrect because MS didn't own Bethesda and ABK during the XB1 era. The XB1 was a more profitable system than the 360 and OG Xbox because the 360 had the Red Ring issue which cost MS $1.6b in itself to address as well as selling the 360 and OG Xbox at massive losses. Xbox One didn't make as much profit as its competitors but it wasn't bleeding money like the 360/PS3/OGXBOX/DC were.

The fact you are throwing Bethesda and ABK in to prove your point is misleading and a desperate attempt to try and prove your point. Bethesda was brought in 2021 and ABK in 2022. The XB1 launched in 2013, the start of the new generation.

Also, Sega entered the market at a very different time, before the mega corps got involved. Sega's failure was due to the lack of funding and lack of good games. I liked Sega but let's not be delusional here. Sega games have not aged well outside of the Genesis and Master System eras. We can claim they had some Gems but so did every console ever made.