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Would you quit gaming if the industry went full digital?

Yes 24 28.92%
 
No 46 55.42%
 
Unsure 13 15.66%
 
Total:83
Azzanation said:
Cobretti2 said:

That is such narrow mined thinking. Just because someone prefers it a certain way, doesn't make it worst or better or a true gamer or not true gamer. Each person has a reason why thy do it their way.

i.e. some collect because the collecting element adds to the excitement of gaming, some collect so one day they may share their gaming experiences with the children they may have in future, some collect because they simply want to be able to hold it in their hands (i.e. physical trading card vs digital one for those who have no physical space), some buy physical because they want to feel like they got value for money in their hand.

Nothing wrong with people doing what you mentioned. But those willing to give up gaming all together because of a format shows they don't actually care about the game itself. Example: If Valve made Half Life 3, and it was digital/Streaming only, I will still buy and play it because I want to experience the game, I care about the IP and the entertainment of the video game. Those willing to skip it because it's not on a disk, shows they only care about the format it comes on and not the entertainment the game is supposed to bring to them. Thats why I say they are not true gamers. I brought a VR headset just so I can play Half Life Alyx, format of a game means little to me as long as I can play it, I don't care if it comes on toast.

Apples and oranges. PCs are user friendly to digital, consoles are not.

Nintendo as an examples ties everything to our console hardware. Once the Switch online ends life, if your switch dies so does your game collection.

If my PC dies no worries, I just install steam on a new one and reinstall everything.

For digital to work well on consoles they need to be more open with how you backup your data and how you can use it once the generation ends at least.

I will use Nintendo as another example, virtual console great idea, but why the fuck did I have to buy the same game on Wii, WiiU and Switch, then you also got stuff that was on WiiU not on Switch. I mean fuck they are N64 games, no excuse for them not to carry over to the next gen system.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:

Nintendo as an examples ties everything to our console hardware. Once the Switch online ends life, if your switch dies so does your game collection.

If my PC dies no worries, I just install steam on a new one and reinstall everything.

For digital to work well on consoles they need to be more open with how you backup your data and how you can use it once the generation ends at least.

Digital Switch games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to your hardware. If your Switch dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Playstation games are bound to your PSN account, not to your hardware. If your PlayStation dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Xbox games are bound to your Xbox account, not to your hardware. If your Xbox dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital PC Steam games are bound to your Steam account, not to your hardware. If your PC dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

There is no difference! If the platform still exists, your collection doesn't die with the hardware. If the platform doesn't exist anymore, you can't redownload the games on Steam, Nintendo eShop, PS Store, Xbox Marketplace, Ubi Store, Epic Game Store, EA Play...



Some people in this thread never heard of the franchise of stores in Japan called Hard Off.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Regarding the opening Question:

I will not quit gaming if the industry goes "only digital".
I will however, stop buying these newer systems and go 100% retro.
There are more than enough games to last for a life-time.



Conina said:
Cobretti2 said:

Nintendo as an examples ties everything to our console hardware. Once the Switch online ends life, if your switch dies so does your game collection.

If my PC dies no worries, I just install steam on a new one and reinstall everything.

For digital to work well on consoles they need to be more open with how you backup your data and how you can use it once the generation ends at least.

Digital Switch games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to your hardware. If your Switch dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Playstation games are bound to your PSN account, not to your hardware. If your PlayStation dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Xbox games are bound to your Xbox account, not to your hardware. If your Xbox dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital PC Steam games are bound to your Steam account, not to your hardware. If your PC dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

There is no difference! If the platform still exists, your collection doesn't die with the hardware. If the platform doesn't exist anymore, you can't redownload the games on Steam, Nintendo eShop, PS Store, Xbox Marketplace, Ubi Store, Epic Game Store, EA Play...

There is a difference, Wii and WiiU online services are dead if both of those die I can't redownload those games onto another WiiU. Hell I can't even use the web browser on the WiU? why not it's installed on there, I have an internet connection. Modern consoles with updates and patches are effectively useless as retro console.



 

 

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Azzanation said:
Cobretti2 said:

That is such narrow mined thinking. Just because someone prefers it a certain way, doesn't make it worst or better or a true gamer or not true gamer. Each person has a reason why thy do it their way.

i.e. some collect because the collecting element adds to the excitement of gaming, some collect so one day they may share their gaming experiences with the children they may have in future, some collect because they simply want to be able to hold it in their hands (i.e. physical trading card vs digital one for those who have no physical space), some buy physical because they want to feel like they got value for money in their hand.

Nothing wrong with people doing what you mentioned. But those willing to give up gaming all together because of a format shows they don't actually care about the game itself. Example: If Valve made Half Life 3, and it was digital/Streaming only, I will still buy and play it because I want to experience the game, I care about the IP and the entertainment of the video game. Those willing to skip it because it's not on a disk, shows they only care about the format it comes on and not the entertainment the game is supposed to bring to them. Thats why I say they are not true gamers. I brought a VR headset just so I can play Half Life Alyx, format of a game means little to me as long as I can play it, I don't care if it comes on toast.

This is super silly lmao

You have no authority whatsoever to say who's a true gamer or not. Get off your high horse lol

Everyone plays games for different reasons. Idk what else to say to you



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Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Cobretti2 said:
Conina said:

Digital Switch games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to your hardware. If your Switch dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Playstation games are bound to your PSN account, not to your hardware. If your PlayStation dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital Xbox games are bound to your Xbox account, not to your hardware. If your Xbox dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

Digital PC Steam games are bound to your Steam account, not to your hardware. If your PC dies, buy a new one, sign in and redownload your digital library.

There is no difference! If the platform still exists, your collection doesn't die with the hardware. If the platform doesn't exist anymore, you can't redownload the games on Steam, Nintendo eShop, PS Store, Xbox Marketplace, Ubi Store, Epic Game Store, EA Play...

There is a difference, Wii and WiiU online services are dead if both of those die I can't redownload those games onto another WiiU. Hell I can't even use the web browser on the WiU? why not it's installed on there, I have an internet connection. Modern consoles with updates and patches are effectively useless as retro console.

There is no doubt Nintendo, despite being a good developer, is archaic and antiquated.  

Thank God for emulation.  I try not to go that route but when Nintendo shuts things down or expects me to rebuy a game for 5th time....



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Cobretti2 said:

Nintendo as an examples ties everything to our console hardware. Once the Switch online ends life, if your switch dies so does your game collection.

Cobretti2 said:
Conina said:

There is no difference! If the platform still exists, your collection doesn't die with the hardware. If the platform doesn't exist anymore, you can't redownload the games on Steam, Nintendo eShop, PS Store, Xbox Marketplace, Ubi Store, Epic Game Store, EA Play...

There is a difference, Wii and WiiU online services are dead if both of those die I can't redownload those games onto another WiiU. Hell I can't even use the web browser on the WiU? why not it's installed on there, I have an internet connection. Modern consoles with updates and patches are effectively useless as retro console.

You wrote "Nintendo as an examples ties everything to our console hardware."

"ties" = present, not the past. They haven't done that for over a decade!

  • digital Switch games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to the hardware
  • digital Wii U games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to the hardware
  • digital 3DS games are bound to your Nintendo account, not to the hardware

You wrote "Once the Switch online ends life, if your switch dies so does your game collection."

Which is wrong, ergo your goal post shift to Wii and Wii U.

You wrote "Wii and WiiU online services are dead if both of those die I can't redownload those games onto another WiiU."

  • WiiU online service ain't dead, only the eShop store took WiiU titles off its shelves. You can still redownload your bought WiiU titles.
  • 3DS online service also ain't dead, only the eShop store took 3DS titles off its shelves. You can still redownload your bought 3DS titles.
  • there are also a lot of delisted games on Steam, which can't be bought anymore. You can still redownload these delisted Steam titles.

The complete shutdown of the Wii and DSi online services and Virtual Console (without the option to redownload bought titles) was a shitty move from Nintendo, no question. Many of us have complained about that.

But that doesn't indicate how Nintendo will handle digital Switch libraries in a few years or even a decade.

Times have changed and digtal games got much more important over the years for Nintendo. There are thousands of Switch games without a retail option.

Nintendo got away with the shutdown of the Wii and DSi online services because they weren't very popular. The shitstorm for shutting down the Switch online services would be much much bigger... probably even bigger as the attempted shutdown of PS3 online services a few years ago.

  • You can still redownload and update digital PS3 games although the store is closed.
  • You can still redownload and update digital Xbox360 games although the store is closed.
  • Nintendo has no "freedom of fools". They will also have to keep the Switch online services alive, as long as it is very important for their customers.



RedKingXIII said:
Azzanation said:

Nothing wrong with people doing what you mentioned. But those willing to give up gaming all together because of a format shows they don't actually care about the game itself. Example: If Valve made Half Life 3, and it was digital/Streaming only, I will still buy and play it because I want to experience the game, I care about the IP and the entertainment of the video game. Those willing to skip it because it's not on a disk, shows they only care about the format it comes on and not the entertainment the game is supposed to bring to them. Thats why I say they are not true gamers. I brought a VR headset just so I can play Half Life Alyx, format of a game means little to me as long as I can play it, I don't care if it comes on toast.

This is super silly lmao

You have no authority whatsoever to say who's a true gamer or not. Get off your high horse lol

Everyone plays games for different reasons. Idk what else to say to you

I have every right, because it is my opinion. I will call anyone not True Gamers if they fit the narratives just like you are entitled to call me silly. If you care about the format more than you care about the games, then in my eyes, you are not a true gamer, why? Because you don't care about the developer, the medium, the IP, you only care about whether or not you can collect it on a disk. 

You don't have to agree with my view, that's fine, but I stand by what I say. I play games regardless, if its physical, digital or Streaming. You don't have to agree with my view and I am not here to change your mind on it either.