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BFR said:
zorg1000 said:

Yep, I also think this reinforces my previous argument that it’s not democratic policies that people were against, Joe Biden himself was the issue.

Kamala should be able to communicate the accomplishments of the last few years and future goals in a significantly more coherent way.

So, the problem was not the message, it was with the messenger.  So, get a new messenger, and problem solved.  Can't wait for that first Harris-Trump debate.

At least partially solved. It’s still going to be a tough battle but with a strong messenger they at least have a fighting chance.

It doesn’t matter how good your accomplishments or ideas are if you can’t coherently communicate those things to voters.



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I agree with you there Zorg.



Why is he nutty bc he has diff opinion then you look at America right now in my city south Texas woman was rapped by illegals coming across I can literally drive to the border you have no clue u want to endorse someone worse then Biden also ur one of the most disliked people on this site u think trump is a cult and fascism let's drop you off in North Korea I bet u don't last a second running across the border crying lol come on man and half of these ppl arnt even from America why are they commenting I don't take anyone serious if u arnt from America or can't vote shouldn't be even in this thread 



Your not even from America why u commenting on American politics u can't even vote go back to the Xbox thread can't even take you serious 



ToolFan89 said:

Why is he nutty bc he has diff opinion then you look at America right now in my city south Texas woman was rapped by illegals coming across I can literally drive to the border you have no clue u want to endorse someone worse then Biden also ur one of the most disliked people on this site u think trump is a cult and fascism let's drop you off in North Korea I bet u don't last a second running across the border crying lol come on man and half of these ppl arnt even from America why are they commenting I don't take anyone serious if u arnt from America or can't vote shouldn't be even in this thread 

I don't live near the border and someone is raped in my area about every other day by American citizens. When are we going to start kicking the Americans out of this country?



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Wow, this guy "ToolFan89"

Is just asking to be banned. Sayonara dude.



ToolFan89 said:

Why is he nutty bc he has diff opinion then you look at America right now in my city south Texas woman was rapped by illegals coming across I can literally drive to the border you have no clue u want to endorse someone worse then Biden also ur one of the most disliked people on this site u think trump is a cult and fascism let's drop you off in North Korea I bet u don't last a second running across the border crying lol come on man and half of these ppl arnt even from America why are they commenting I don't take anyone serious if u arnt from America or can't vote shouldn't be even in this thread 

ToolFan89 said:

Your not even from America why u commenting on American politics u can't even vote go back to the Xbox thread can't even take you serious 

...Are...Are YOU from America? Because it really doesn't sound like English is your native language...



ToolFan89 said:

Why is he nutty bc he has diff opinion then you look at America right now in my city south Texas woman was rapped by illegals coming across I can literally drive to the border you have no clue u want to endorse someone worse then Biden also ur one of the most disliked people on this site u think trump is a cult and fascism let's drop you off in North Korea I bet u don't last a second running across the border crying lol come on man and half of these ppl arnt even from America why are they commenting I don't take anyone serious if u arnt from America or can't vote shouldn't be even in this thread 

What do you do with all the time you saved not typing y and o in the word You. Must be amazing. You lost a bet with punctuation. I see nothing wrong with rapping even though it's not my favorite music. As for why he was mocked. Because they were highly sexist remarks and boiled down to. Women=Weak. Normally the only people who think that way are weak insecure males.

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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

It is almost like voters think candidates should be cognitively aware and not be old enough to die of natural causes any day. The small expectations in life.

Yep, I also think this reinforces my previous argument that it’s not democratic policies that people were against, Joe Biden himself was the issue.

Kamala should be able to communicate the accomplishments of the last few years and future goals in a significantly more coherent way.

Getting people to understand the policies, eg messaging, still remains a problem IMO.  

Meaning Harris needs to focus on women's rights, low violent crime, high stock market, Jan 6th coup and trump's conviction.

Keep it simple and avoid controversial policies.  

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And I will never understand why people thought running Biden was a good idea in the first place.  We all knew he had major issues for the last 12 months.

From my perspective liberals hate Trump with a boiling passion, so they need very little motivation to go out against Trump.  The middle aisle, independents and levelheaded republicans are the key target demographic.  Harris gets a reasonable amount of those folks, and the election is over, hence focus on the big talking points.  

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Chrkeller said:
zorg1000 said:

Yep, I also think this reinforces my previous argument that it’s not democratic policies that people were against, Joe Biden himself was the issue.

Kamala should be able to communicate the accomplishments of the last few years and future goals in a significantly more coherent way.

Getting people to understand the policies, eg messaging, still remains a problem IMO.  

Meaning Harris needs to focus on women's rights, low violent crime, high stock market, Jan 6th coup and trump's conviction.

Keep it simple and avoid controversial policies.  

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And I will never understand why people thought running Biden was a good idea in the first place.  We all knew he had major issues for the last 12 months.

From my perspective liberals hate Trump with a boiling passion, so they need very little motivation to go out against Trump.  The middle aisle, independents and levelheaded republicans are the key target demographic.  Harris gets a reasonable amount of those folks, and the election is over, hence focus on the big talking points.  

For sure, it’s easier said than done but I think a general blueprint like this would be very effective at getting swing voters/centrists/independents: 

Abortion-should be easy, talk about how it’s Trump’s fault that Roe got overturned and she will do everything in her power to make sure it gets restored.

Crime-talk about how violent crime is trending down and use her prosecutor background to reassure people that it will continue to go down.

Economy-this one is tougher, you don’t want to sound out of touch by bragging about the stock market when people are still struggling from high prices & borrowing costs. It has to be a message about how things like the stock market, low unemployment & inflation cooling shows the worst is behind us but there is still a lot of work to be done.

Trump-go with the prosecutor vs felon angle. Talk about how Trump doesn’t respect the rule of law and is only in it for himself. Can also bring Biden into it by saying he chose the good of the country over his personal ambitions. Biden stepped down while Trump tried to steal an election.

Border-This is where Mark Kelly would be a good pick for VP, he’s from a border state and has been critical of some of Biden’s border policies, he can go out there and advocate for a middle ground between Biden’s open borders & Trump’s mass deportation plan. Really push the Senate border bill that has a mix of increased border security & streamlining the asylum process.

Gun Safety-another area where Kelly can potentially shine. He’s a gun owner and his wife survived an assassination attempt. Go out there and talk about how he’s a proud gun owner and doesn’t want to take guns away from his fellow Americans but we need stricter laws to prevent what happened to his wife & Trump.

Infrastructure/manufacturing/healthcare/climate-brag about the historic investments from the major bills Biden signed into law, talk about how Trump would reverse these accomplishments while she will protect and expand on them.

Child Care/Education/Families-promote the parts of Build Back Better that were stripped out like expanded Child Tax Credit, universal Pre-K, subsidized Daycare, tuition free Community College, subsidized elder care.

National Security/Foreign Policy-Again emphasize that she’s a former prosecutor & Kelly is a former Navy Captain and how they are the type of people you want in office to make America safe and protect our allies abroad.

Project 2025-keep attacking it as a wish list of extremism ideas and keep attaching Trump to it.

Divisive Issues-You’re right that they should stay avoid highly controversial topics like trans rights for example. Just give a general message that you’re going to fight for everybody’s rights.



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