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EricHiggin said:
Cyran said:

As for "MAGA" I not sure anyone other than Trump can lead the movement. I could be completely wrong but I got the feeling without Trump at it head there going to be a lot of in fighting and divisions forming with in it ranks that make it hard for any one person to unify it like Trump can. One thing we have see over and over again is an Trump endorsement is not that valuable in a general election. Many Trump picked people lost yesterday in places that Trump won. Don't get me wrong if the Economy booming in 4 years the republican could hold on to power but if it bad Democrats got a great shot who ever the republicans choose.

The only way MAGA gets dropped is if Trumps second term is deemed a failure or if a 2028 candidate comes up with something way better.

If Trumps second term goes well (enough) then MAGA will remain. Vance, DeSantis, Ramaswamy, Gabbard, or even maybe RFK could and likely would continue MAGA, though each would obviously make some (small) adjustments/additions.

I expect all the republicans in the primary to run on MAGA, I just dont think any of them can unite the Trump coalition.  They may all still vote republican if the country doing well but Trump will still be there hero and weather it Desantis, Vance or someone else, they won't love and trust them like Trump.  They be another politician that the second things start going bad they turn on him.

I could be completely wrong but when I see the in fighting in the house of representative over who would be speaker etc that the sense I get.  No matter how tough DeSantis act people are not going to fear him or respect him like Trump for example.  



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haxxiy said:

Gen X has lead in their brains so the gap is expected 



"You should be banned. Youre clearly flaming the president and even his brother who you know nothing about. Dont be such a partisan hack"

IkePoR said:

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LMAO I didn't mean it to sound too aggressive. They also grew up with Reagan, so there's that.



 

 

 

 

 

Pemalite said:

So is the election still rigged? Or is it suddenly all sweet and dandy now?

Actually, various Rep. lawmakers put in the work on looser rules inspired by COVID.  Late postmarked ballots wouldn't be counted, so everyone had to get their ass in gear to ensure every single vote was accounted for on Election Day.  

That said, it's only fair to be partially suspicious of what's potentially going on in Arizona.  Anyone in charge of voting who's unable to count 80% of a state's/district's votes in 24 hours should be immediately fired and barred from that role ever again.  



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Ironically, while a lot of MAGA people online are shouting about how this proves 2020 was rigged all along (because... I guess the Democrats just forgot to rig 2016 and this year?), the people actually involved with Trump's campaign and other high-level GOP officials are just straight-up admitting that he got things wrong that year, relying on a repeat of his 2016 playbook and failing thanks to Biden running a smarter campaign. This time around it looks to have happened in reverse.



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OlfinBedwere said:

Ironically, while a lot of MAGA people online are shouting about how this proves 2020 was rigged all along (because... I guess the Democrats just forgot to rig 2016 and this year?), the people actually involved with Trump's campaign and other high-level GOP officials are just straight-up admitting that he got things wrong that year, relying on a repeat of his 2016 playbook and failing thanks to Biden running a smarter campaign. This time around it looks to have happened in reverse.

It wasn't rigged.

There's currently 14 million votes less than 2020.  All of the west coast states are still counting. California is at 55% with 10 million votes already counted.  Napkin math we can add another 8 million in that state alone.

About a million votes went to third party candidates in total.

Lastly, if people don't think a pandemic lockdown and riots in the street didn't motivate non-voters, they know very little about elections.

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"You should be banned. Youre clearly flaming the president and even his brother who you know nothing about. Dont be such a partisan hack"

Democrats need to nominate a billionaire celebrity next time. But who?.. Mark Cuban?



It isn't clear to me that policies are the issue and reason why Democrats lost. For the following reasons: 

1. When doing blind studies Americans preferred Harris's policies. 

2. In certain states, like Colorado, where the same or even more left-wing policies were messaged differently (framed as saving Americans money overall) Democrats over-performed. 

3. We are seeing an anti-incumbency wave globally caused by inflation. Democrats were fighting an up-hill battle to win this election, being the incumbent party. They actually fared better than other incumbent parties globally, containing a lot of their losses. We already know that many working class people voted only on the presidential ticket for Trump for this single reason. That's why Democrats did relatively better in some of the down-ballot races than they did for the presidential election. See: Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and maybe even Pennsylvania (depending on how the last few counts and recount goes.) 


4. In many states that rejected Democrats, progressive referendum showed majority support for their policies. For example, in Missouri a minimum wage of 15 dollars and an abortion protection amendment passed. In Florida a majority voted to legalize recreational marijuana and for a pro-abortion amendment, it didn't pass because the state requires 60% of the vote and the votes were in the low and high 50% respectively. In Arizona a pro-abortion amendment passed. 

5. This election wasn't even about policy. Mid-term elections are the policy elections and Democrats have been doing much better in those lately. Neither candidate really talked too much about their policies, and the popular ones were adopted by both. 

Trump probably won this election for three main reasons: 1. inflation and the anti-incumbency wave across the globe caused by it, 2. he is charismatic and does better than the average GOP, people like his authoritarian brashness and anti-establishment pose, and 3. Harris focused too much on trying to secure the vote of a group that doesn't exist anymore (Bush Republicans/Neocons) rather than activating her base. 

She didn't lose because she is a woman or because she is a person of color either. Many women and people of color in the swing states out-performed her. Yes that is another thing that limits her ability to gather votes, but if #1, #2, and #3 didn't exist she probably would have won despite this. 

Edit: Also, Biden shouldn't have run in the first place. He ran in 2020 on being a one-term president and should have stuck with that. There should have been a primary last year. 

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KLAMarine said:

Democrats need to nominate a billionaire celebrity next time. But who?.. Mark Cuban?

Nah, money needs to get as far away from politics as possible. 



Ryuu96 said:
LurkerJ said:

“Gaza won’t exist”, sad but true. Man, the gloom in the air is so hard to ignore. Europe better wake up… 

Hopefully Europe stops fucking supporting America with Israel now as well. Literally no reason for us to get involved in that shit. If America is going to backstab us then why should we help them with anything, especially when we're talking about giving Israel free reign to genocide the fuck out of Palestinians.

Europe needs to build up a fortress, install an Article 5 clause into EU similar to NATO, invest massively into our own defence industries (stop buying American), a European army needs to be established, Poland should acquire their own nukes. America ain't no ally and we have to look our for ourselves now.

Macron annoys the shit out of me often but one thing he has been absolutely right about is that Europe needs to invest into itself way more and stop relying on America, France has been telling us and warning us for years, France has been the one pushing for the EU army. We ignored them because we thought America would always have our back.

5+ years ago, I was saying we should remove nukes, we should invest less in military, because there's no threat to us, I feel like an idiot, I was a naïve fool, I've gone from some peace loving "we'll be okay" to "yeah, we need to fucking get real" and I hate it but it's the reality we're in. I hate that UK has to spend massively on military over other things but that's the situation we're in. I hate that I'm advocating for more nukes but clearly nukes are the only goddamn deterrent outside of NATO so if Ukraine can't get into NATO then they need to get nukes in their lifetime.

I agree so much with this sentiment.
EU needs to not reward the American military industry, if America is going to engage in trade wars with us.
And dis-regard or make worse, our situation ( the Russia issue).

I also think, instead of a draft, we build up a professional army that's effectively a EU force.
I know alot of people are against the idea, of the EU having a army, but it needs to happen.
Each country having their own stuff is nice and all, but 1 big unit, that just works together will be a better move.

There was a time, when I thought all the military spending was just a waste.
Put that into science and research and such instead.

Now it looks like its necessarily needed.