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Hey VGC, your favorite enemy from within here.

Sorry for my conspicuous absence today. Even though I knew this was coming (told you), I can't help feeling pretty depressed right now. This moment feels like a rejection of my very being. I'm sure it's not all that, but I need some time to process the reality that this is actually happening and that it might not be as personal as it feels.

Anyway, rest assured that I have my thoughts on what went wrong and might even share them with you some day when I'm feeling more motivated. Just keeping you posted. Didn't kill myself today or anything.



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Kudos, Jai. Life goes on.



curl-6 said:

I feel I should clarify; I'm not trying to just stir the pot here, so I do apologize if my posts came off that way. In retrospect, I should have been more measured.

I was simply speaking from a place of frustration. I'm not a fan of Trumpism, but we really shouldn't be finding ourselves in a situation where someone like Trump can be considered a preferable option in the first place.

Yeah I'm not a fan of orange man either (I personally think he's a stupid obnoxious old git tbh, that's coasting on his daddy's empire). I'm of the middle (despite also being a Brit), and I want practical solutions and thought out reformation planning, but calling anyone that doesn't lean left a "Nazi" or a "fascist" does not work and doesn't win ppl to your side (if anything it causes those tagged with either phrase to slap back, rather than listen). 

Also I've seen enough of the net to know both the right and the left control different sectors of media. It's not 100% all right dominated like some think it is (there's barely any spaces for centrists at all, and no one ever talks about the middle having any space to discuss). 

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So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

So is the election still rigged? Or is it suddenly all sweet and dandy now?



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Harris still has not won a single swing state. Trump currently leads the popular vote by 5,000,000. GOP is up to 53 senate seats.  Feels like it is time for liberals to rethink that platform and rework their messaging. Like many of us have been saying since page 1.

Oh and Curl has really good points and he is right. Not that anybody will listen.  Curl has a much more accurate view on how middle America feels than most others in this thread.  He isn't wrong.  

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And the folks who want to claim "inflation" is the reason...  nah and that is an excuse.  Worse, that means no one is taking the time and energy to learn what actually happened, which means you won't be better positioned in the future.  Can't fix something until you acknowledge it is broken.

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In hindsight I think the moment Biden decided the run for reelection it ensure Trump victory. I could show the facts that the USA economy under Biden have thrive more than any other country on earth but at the end of the day it don't change the fact that many many people in the USA is suffering, that the vast majority of this country unless they getting help from parents cannot afford their first house and inflation have made life very difficult. No party in power have ever won the presidency when the majority of it citizen feel like the economy is bad.

If Biden have announce after the 2022 midterms he was not going to seek re-election then maybe a open primary where the winner could distance themselves from Biden and run on the economy might of work but even that am not certain would of worked.

I think Harris did the best she could with the hand dealt to her but at the end of the day there was nothing she could of done or say that would of led to victory. Unfortunately, I think this ends any chance of her ever becoming president. I just feel like the Democrats going to need to find a new leader in the next couple years to run in 2028. Most likely one of there popular governors.

As for "MAGA" I not sure anyone other than Trump can lead the movement. I could be completely wrong but I got the feeling without Trump at it head there going to be a lot of in fighting and divisions forming with in it ranks that make it hard for any one person to unify it like Trump can. One thing we have see over and over again is an Trump endorsement is not that valuable in a general election. Many Trump picked people lost yesterday in places that Trump won. Don't get me wrong if the Economy booming in 4 years the republican could hold on to power but if it bad Democrats got a great shot who ever the republicans choose.

This assuming that we still living in a constitution republic in 4 years but am going to be hopeful that will be the case because the alternative too horrible and there really nothing that can be done about it at this point. The American people have made their choice and we will all have to live with the consequences. Hopefully they be good ones not bad ones.



Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

It concerns me greatly that Musk will be in Trump's administration, not only because he's a fucking idiot outside of Tesla/Space X (and even then it's debatable how much he does in day to day operations there) but because he owns Twitter which means Twitter's owner will now be in the administration of the American government...That is a concerning level of power for any government considering how massive and widely used Twitter is. It opens up a huge potential of misinformation and propaganda to be spread on behalf of the government and it's not like Musk hasn't already done so in the past even before joining up with Trump! The moment he starts spreading Russian propaganda again, Europe should ban Twitter. Only hope Musk and Trump backstab each other fairly quickly, Trump already discarded Musk once before and talked shit about him so maybe he'll do it again.

Neither Trump nor Musk have the patience to work together for 4 years. I'll give it 1 year.

Musk cleared out Twitter pretty quick. A year may be all he needs.



Cyran said:

In hindsight I think the moment Biden decided the run for reelection it ensure Trump victory. I could show the facts that the USA economy under Biden have thrive more than any other country on earth but at the end of the day it don't change the fact that many many people in the USA is suffering, that the vast majority of this country unless they getting help from parents cannot afford their first house and inflation have made life very difficult. No party in power have ever won the presidency when the majority of it citizen feel like the economy is bad.

Obama said Trump's economy was so good because of what Obama left him.

Waaaaait a second...



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Tober said:

I'm looking at some of the reporting about the election. As a Dutchie it always baffles me those voting results being split up by ethnic groups. It would be unthinkable here in the Netherlands.

I get it's possible to see difference in numbers by income class, age or if someone lives in a high or low population area. But it simply feels silly to me expecting people to vote by their skincolor.

To my American friends, why is it done this way?

It happens in Canada as well, but the media is much more careful about how they show and talk about it.

There's a few reasons, like others have stated, but it's also useful when identity politics is at play.

Instead of doing things the hard way, and solely catering to critical thinking by coming up with good ideas and good policies, it's way easier to also label your opponents as racists, sexists, homophobes, etc, and hope those demographics vote for you just because they fit that profile. This alone isn't enough to win, but it can be quite successful if done in smaller doses in just the right way.



IkePoR said:
Cyran said:

In hindsight I think the moment Biden decided the run for reelection it ensure Trump victory. I could show the facts that the USA economy under Biden have thrive more than any other country on earth but at the end of the day it don't change the fact that many many people in the USA is suffering, that the vast majority of this country unless they getting help from parents cannot afford their first house and inflation have made life very difficult. No party in power have ever won the presidency when the majority of it citizen feel like the economy is bad.

Obama said Trump's economy was so good because of what Obama left him.

Waaaaait a second...

Whether true or not it sorta irrelevant.  From a election standpoint if the american people feel like the economy good the party in power get the credit and when it feels bad they get the blame.  It really dont matter if they had anything to do with it being bad or good.  This have always been the case with elections.