My father used to think he was a genius and that Tesla was the future. I was never impressed by him. But the diver episode was absolutely disgusting, and when Musk got away with it in court, it set a big precedent for the GOP to silence any criticisms with accusations of pedophilia. 

Damn, Vance isn't winning any friends or votes for that matter, with his jokes about kamala harris. This isn't the '50s anymore, people nowadays and especially candidates have to be more presentable than this.

Biden was selected as VP by Obama because he was a quiet antipode to Obama's flair (As did Trump later did with Pence). But that same quiet was a liability against the overly boisterous Trump. To be honest, we got lucky in 2020. Biden chose Harris as his VP in part to counterpart his own lacking levels of panache. And Biden has only dropped further down the excitement scale since. Harris is giving just the right amount of adrenaline to wake up the party. While she's not on Obama's level of elan, she doesn't have to be either. She just has to be enough.

And for VPs specifically, neither party is all that great at selecting them either but the Republican party really has a tough time with it the past several cycles. I thought nobody would make as bad of a political faux pas as McCain in tapping Palin but here we are with Trump giving the VP seat to Vance.

Don't forget about Paul Ryan. Conservatives cheered thunderously when he was announced as Romney's running mate. The Tea Party actually wanted him more than they did Romney. Romney was dismissed by tax activist Grover Norquist as a "hand with ten working digits to hold a pen to sign the Ryan budget."  In addition to this, Ryan is Catholic, and was likely chosen in part to make it more palatable for evangelicals and Middle American working class to vote for a Mormon president. 

Then he started stuff like washing a few pre-washed dishes at a rescue mission, and he became the butt of many a Democratic joke. He became the Speaker of the House after the Romney/Ryan ticket lost in 2012, but ended up making his predecessor, John Boehner, look halfway competent by comparison, and his political career fizzled out.  He went from being in a string of bad Republican VP choices to being the latest (at the time) in a string of bad Republican Speakers. 

I still strongly feel that Mark Kelly needs to stay in the Senate, where we really need all hands on deck. Shapiro has my vote as a VP. 

What do you guys think of Josh Shapiro. He is quite moderate by today's standards. He supports a woman's right to choose and school vouchers. He basically works across the asile to get stuff done. He outperformed Trump in PA by 15 points and has never lost an election.

He is also Jewish (making Musk's comment even more horrifying) and he is actually younger than Harris at 51.

Shapiro is no better than John Edwards of 20 years ago.

Shapiro is a powerful choice because he is popular in Pennsylvania. If he gets the Dems Pennsylvania, that hugely improves their chances. He is also a strong speaker and he insulates Harris from some criticisms particularly in relation to Israel. 

On the other hand, he may be a bit too moderate and pro-Israel for a lot of more left-leaning voters and the sexual harassment claims coming out of his office are a legit liability. 

Personally, I think he is a solid strategic pick, but I'm not overly excited about his politics.

Can't go wrong with Kelly, Shapiro or Walz Imo.

I think Shapiro and Kelly are the strongest picks for the EC but damn I love Walz as a person, Lol.

The predictions market have gone hard for Shapiro recently because of a planned visit in Pennsylvania next week with Harris's newly named running mate.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/30/harris-first-rally-running-mate-tuesday-philadelphia-00171999

Personally I still think Kelly is the stronger choice. The Dems need PA+MI+ One more State (WI, AZ, GA). Winning PA does them no good if they can't win at least one more. They should be acting like they are already going to win PA and focusing on picking up one of the last 3 states with AZ being the best shot.

However, I don't have their internal polling. The map-math might look different.