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What's schocking to me isn't as much that Trump won (I feared this would happen when I saw the polls going south for her), but that Trump apparently also won the popular vote.

Trump now got the presidency and the Senate, but the House isn't assured to turn red, too. Sure they're leading, but when I look at the map there seem to be many more light blue counties than light red ones which are still open.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:

What's schocking to me isn't as much that Trump won (I feared this would happen when I saw the polls going south for her), but that Trump apparently also won the popular vote.

Trump now got the presidency and the Senate, but the House isn't assured to turn red, too. Sure they're leading, but when I look at the map there seem to be many more light blue counties than light red ones which are still open.

Mind if I ask why you are surprised by the popular vote?  Biden has one of the lowest approval ratings in recent history, and Harris (fair or not) is directly linked to the current administration.  Almost 60% disapprove of the Biden/Harris administration.  Most people do not like them.  



LegitHyperbole said:

Don't forget @chrkellar she said she would change nothing on 60 minutes. That was her defining moment of failure, I'd reckon and as much as she tried she could not walk it back properly. 

That was really dumb in retrospect.

She will make up the popular vote once the West Coast is fully in but it seems even reaching Hillary's numbers is out of cogitation. The suburban Republican strategy was a complete failure.



 

 

 

 

 

Chrkeller said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

This. x1000! 

I find it interesting I couldn't post in this thread without being dogpiled by a dozen people ensuring me I don't know what I'm talking.  They sure are quiet this morning and I hear nothing but crickets.

GOP took the senate.  Leading the house too.  Maybe liberals should have talked about the stock market and the economy...  

A lot of us were sleeping. 

Cerebralbore101 said:

There is so much wrong with the Democratic party today. Because of our electoral college system the presidency is always decided by Midwesterners in Swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Minnesota.

Guess what? People in these areas of the country do not agree with...

Abortion rights.

Illegal Immigration.

Trans Youth programs.

Gun restrictions.

Affirmative action.

As long as the Democrats go so hard left on these issues they will lose those crucial swing states and the presidency. They only won in 2020 because of mail in voting, a pandemic, and murderous cops. It was a perfect storm and even then Biden barely squeaked out a win.

A lot of these same states voted to expand abortion rights, including Missouri. Florida's abortion proposal got 57% of the vote, and didn't reach the 60% required. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
Chrkeller said:

Like I said 100 pages ago, liberals do not connect with middle America. And so much not trusting betting firms. So much for not trusting polls. 

It appears many of the smart people in this thread aren't as smart as they think.

The results disappoint, but do not surprised me. Liberals have no clue what middle America is like.

This. x1000! 

I immediately thought of this recent video after reading your posts. What can happen when politics and intelligence/education/IQ collide?



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Trump just pulled something equivalent to a razzle dazzle football play where it gets tossed between 3 or so players. The high turnout for early voters and the number of women voting should have sunk this for Harris. I'm still very much dumbfounded.



Farsala said:

There are many reasons for the loss. If Kamala was white, old, and from Indiana, with the exact same policies, she would have gotten a ton more votes.

Incumbent governments always lose votes, so already an uphill battle when Biden barely won.

Covid anti boost+ Putin's war bringing up inflation.

The things you bring up are a factor, but not the only factor.

Trumps assassination attempt could be considered too.

People who cared about her race weren't going to vote for someone with her politics regardless and being older wouldn't have made any more difference than it did with Hilary.  On the other hand, the fact that she is a politician from California probably did her no favors.  In the eyes of many it's the political equivalent of being a regular at Diddy's parties.

That reminds me, though, that I found the "if men don't vote for Kamala then it's because she's female" talking point to be a real negative.  It felt like they were going for some kind of emotional manipulation ploy while setting up an easy excuse at the same time.  They'd be a lot better off acknowledging and fixing their own mistakes.



the-pi-guy said:
Chrkeller said:

I find it interesting I couldn't post in this thread without being dogpiled by a dozen people ensuring me I don't know what I'm talking.  They sure are quiet this morning and I hear nothing but crickets.

GOP took the senate.  Leading the house too.  Maybe liberals should have talked about the stock market and the economy...  

A lot of us were sleeping. 

Cerebralbore101 said:

There is so much wrong with the Democratic party today. Because of our electoral college system the presidency is always decided by Midwesterners in Swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Minnesota.

Guess what? People in these areas of the country do not agree with...

Abortion rights.

Illegal Immigration.

Trans Youth programs.

Gun restrictions.

Affirmative action.

As long as the Democrats go so hard left on these issues they will lose those crucial swing states and the presidency. They only won in 2020 because of mail in voting, a pandemic, and murderous cops. It was a perfect storm and even then Biden barely squeaked out a win.

A lot of these same states voted to expand abortion rights, including Missouri. Florida's abortion proposal got 57% of the vote, and didn't reach the 60% required. 

And a lot of people live in Europe and are avoiding this thread like the plague.  I was mocked and laughed at via my Betting Firm analysis.  Where are those people now? Why so quiet?  Facts are facts.  We tried to tell you all.  



I'm honestly quite surprised, but I did say before that I'm not connected enough to truly know the feel and vibe of things.

End of the day, this result is just disappointing. I can't imagine how climate change is just going to worsen even quicker than it already are. I fear for me kids.

I suppose on my side the best I can do is to educate my kids to ensure they don't fall into this brain rot thinking that conservatives appear to have. It's affected ppl in my immediate family and I think this is just too much for me to want to keep contact with them.

To everyone in America: I wish the result was better for you guys, and I hope future generations will be better.



Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.

She lost because running Biden was stupid.  Running her was stupid, she NEVER was popular.  She lost because liberal policies DO NOT resonant with the average American.  Trump is an easy target; liberals are too stupid to run a good campaign.  Someone like Peter B. would have easily won.  He is from Indiana, middle America appeal, and he has a military service record, which is very high appeal in middle America.  

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California is turning into a cesspool with increased violent crime and absurd levels of homeless, Harris is from California.  Bad pick.  Americans have been unhappy about the border for 4 years, the Biden administration has done nothing to address it.  Running the incumbent was stupid, full stop.  

Liberals lost, because they underestimated Trump yet again.  They overestimate their policy appeal constantly.  Liberals live in a fantasy world and are completely disconnected from regular hardworking Americans.  

If you think Pete Buttigieg had a chance, a gay man from Indiana in the extremely religious America, then I don't know what to say, I would concede that probably someone like Shapiro had a better chance than Harris but not Pete and I fucking love Pete a lot more than I like Shapiro. Also I don't know why the think Pete's service record is relevant when America elected a draft dodger who talks shit about the military all the time, who highest ranking members of America's military calls a fascist, Republicans only pretend to give a shit about the military.

Biden administration tried to address the border with a bipartisan, right-wing border bill, which Donald Trump told the Republicans to block and they did so spare me that bullshit. Harris should have done more to differentiate herself from Biden because his government is the one in charge during inflation and that was a mistake on her part but I don't know how you can argue that inflation didn't play a massive factor in this loss and any Democrat would have had a tough time; Also I feel like you continue to ignore the selfishness and bigotry of Americans.

Almost none of Trump's policies addressed the average hardworking American, far more of Harris policies did, Trump insulted basically every person aside from the white man, millions of Americans know they're voting for a fascist but they don't care because they think this fascist will bring their groceries down. It's bollocks that Harris delved too deep into certain policies, she consistently moved herself to the right during this election, on the border, she consistently tried to appeal to Republicans, they almost threw trans people under the bus to try to get Republican voters, it was for nought.

All I'd concede on is that in hindsight either Biden should have stepped aside a lot sooner or there should have been a primary and it should have been an average white dude with charisma like Josh Shapiro at the top because American politics is more like a popularity contest now as well because even then it would have been an uphill battle, I am 100% convinced now that if it weren't for COVID, Trump would have battered Biden in 2020 as well. America has moved to the right.