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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

The fact this is even close when Trump is such a dumpster fire shows how many folks feel alienated by the left, and represents a failure by the Dems to connect with a large swathe of the population.

Trump is awful, but when you can't convince a comfortable majority of the population that you're a better choice, then you've got problems of your own.

When Trump can run so blatantly on fascism and do well with it, it really is a people problem and not an opposing political party problem. The American people are adults, so there shouldn't be excuses made for them, because it isn't hard at all to recognize that fascism is bad and a terrible option.

The same holds true for all other democracies. Since other countries don't restrict themselves to a two party system like the USA and therefore have multiple options for people who don't like the left, we can tell that there are a lot of people who consciously vote far-right even though there is a conservative option available, so it can't be said that there's an "alienated by the left" problem.

This puts the question in the room why do all parties, except for the far-right ones, have to be (nearly) perfect to be electable while the far-right can coast on bullshit and are forgiven for all the bad and stupid things they do. It's at that point that it becomes clear that there is a people problem, because the judgment by these voters isn't being done on the grounds of reason, fairness or logical consistency. That's also why comedy shows in every democratic country prefer to go to far-right events to pick out people for interviews, because quick contradictions and hilarious statements are inevitable.



TallSilhouette said:
RolStoppable said:

When Trump can run so blatantly on fascism and do well with it, it really is a people problem and not an opposing political party problem. The American people are adults, so there shouldn't be excuses made for them, because it isn't hard at all to recognize that fascism is bad and a terrible option.

The same holds true for all other democracies. Since other countries don't restrict themselves to a two party system like the USA and therefore have multiple options for people who don't like the left, we can tell that there are a lot of people who consciously vote far-right even though there is a conservative option available, so it can't be said that there's an "alienated by the left" problem.

This puts the question in the room why do all parties, except for the far-right ones, have to be (nearly) perfect to be electable while the far-right can coast on bullshit and are forgiven for all the bad and stupid things they do. It's at that point that it becomes clear that there is a people problem, because the judgment by these voters isn't being done on the grounds of reason, fairness or logical consistency. That's also why comedy shows in every democratic country prefer to go to far-right events to pick out people for interviews, because quick contradictions and hilarious statements are inevitable.

No shit. I'm frankly getting tired of the left being tone-policed and lectured about being "mean." while Trump is holding a de facto Klan/Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. 

Let's say Trump loses in 2024. Are there going to be articles in right-wing circles and speeches calling on conservatives to tone down the rhetoric and not be so hateful towards the West Coast and the Northeast? Calls for them to understand the people they've alienated? Nope! They're going to double down on the anger. If Trump isn't under in-home nursing care for dementia by the 2028 election, when he'll be 82, they'll even try to run him again. 



Ryuu96 said:

I've been feeling confident about Pennsylvania and Michigan for weeks already, but will this have a notable impact on the other swing states? Think if she wins PA/MI then she only needs 1 more swing state? I'm not confident in Arizona at all, so it'll have to be one of the others.

You've been the most active poster here for months and you have to ask about Harris's path to the White House? Color me surprised.

Winning Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania will get her to exactly 270 electoral votes and these three states have quite similar priorities when it comes to their voters due to their geographical location. It's more about the economy and manufacturing jobs than immigration. So if they win two of them, it's likely they win the third one as well.

It's really not that much of an uphill battle for the Democrats if they win Pennsylvania and Michigan. If that happens, then the only scenario where they can't win with only three of the seven battleground states is when Nevada is the third one in the mix.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

the-pi-guy said:

I would be happy with this, but there are some strange things in the crosstabs. For instance, Kamala Harris winning males, and Trump with 24% of the Black vote. Kamala Harris actually performs worse with female voters than Biden did in 2020 which seems unlikely with Dobbs.  Big grain of salt. 

Something that is worth noting is that there are sets of figures given for self identified likely voters and what the pollsters consider likely voters. Harris has a lead of 6% nationwide if you don't weigh the results Kamala's lead jumps to 6% which would be almost an assured electoral victory.

People like to think of polls as objective data, but this is the subjective element. Their results are only useful insofar as it accurately predicts turnout. If more women show up to vote, or more rural voters, or more Puerto Ricans, then that completely changes the outcome.

Good to see a positive poll with such a large sample, but it still has the typical limitations. 

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Just got back from voting (blue city in a red state). I know we had covid during the last general and midterms don't get as many voters but the turnout was still a night and day difference this time. Hoping that's a good sign.



Will be voting for her (and a straight Democratic ticket) on election day here in Pennsylvania.

Been voting in person since my mail-in vote wasn't counted in the 2020 primary. 

Fortunately, my polling station is never too busy, it's a few blocks from my house, and I work from home so I can hop over any time. 



Literally had a Nazi rally but sure.



Kamala Harris Campaign Taking Over Las Vegas Sphere Through Election Day

Should have got laughing Kamala on the sphere, maybe save that for after election if she wins.



Ryuu96 said:

Literally had a Nazi rally but sure.

Oh silly Ryuu. You should not doubt that Trump will improve the life of every American, because he will define what qualifies as an American. As Stephen Miller put it, America is for Americans any only Americans.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.