2024 US Presidential Election

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RolStoppable said:

curl-6 said:

The fact this is even close when Trump is such a dumpster fire shows how many folks feel alienated by the left, and represents a failure by the Dems to connect with a large swathe of the population.

Trump is awful, but when you can't convince a comfortable majority of the population that you're a better choice, then you've got problems of your own.

When Trump can run so blatantly on fascism and do well with it, it really is a people problem and not an opposing political party problem. The American people are adults, so there shouldn't be excuses made for them, because it isn't hard at all to recognize that fascism is bad and a terrible option.

The same holds true for all other democracies. Since other countries don't restrict themselves to a two party system like the USA and therefore have multiple options for people who don't like the left, we can tell that there are a lot of people who consciously vote far-right even though there is a conservative option available, so it can't be said that there's an "alienated by the left" problem.

This puts the question in the room why do all parties, except for the far-right ones, have to be (nearly) perfect to be electable while the far-right can coast on bullshit and are forgiven for all the bad and stupid things they do. It's at that point that it becomes clear that there is a people problem, because the judgment by these voters isn't being done on the grounds of reason, fairness or logical consistency. That's also why comedy shows in every democratic country prefer to go to far-right events to pick out people for interviews, because quick contradictions and hilarious statements are inevitable.