^ I thought I heard Harris was going on Rogan in a few days. Did I hear wrong?

Fuck Joe Rogan, but it would still be worth reaching out to his impressionable young male audience.

He probably has more in common with Trump these days, than Harris.  I think that is why JR had him on the show.  He has had alternative sorts of candidates such as RFK jr though, if that matters.  

JR is one of those "new new right" kind of people, or what i've heard of as the intellectual dark web....they tend to be conservative, but dismiss the old style conservatives with their rebel flags, super christian ways, and other things associated with the right.   

I don't watch Joe Rogan anymore and I am watching this show either, but I looks like he's done a piss poor job as expected.

You are correct that having a college degree or not does not determine whether you are intelligent when it comes to politics. It should also be noted that a college degree merely means that at one point in your life you were eager to learn and achieve something, but that doesn't meant that you are still in that state of mind 10, 20, 30 years later. Those who stop to improve themself will eventually cease to qualify as intelligent regardless of the education they once had, because things continually evolve and things change. So it does not matter if you only got through high school, because what counts is who you are today.

The topic of protectionism is a good example. The Biden administration has upheld some tariffs as far as I know, because targeted tariffs do help Americans, particularly those aimed as China because the Chinese government subsidizes Chinese companies in an attempt to wrestle markets away from American (and European) companies. However, tariffs across the board as proposed by Trump do not help. Certain goods aren't manufactured in the USA at all, so all a tariff does is make more expensive for the American consumer, therefore rising the cost of living. Other goods, like cars, are manufactured in the USA, but not all parts of them; so if you put a tariff on the parts that need to be imported, you are making all cars that are assembled in the USA more expensive. So anyone who supports Trump's policy on tariffs is stupid until they make the decision to educate themself on the topic; because if you support Trump because of his tariffs, you are supporting rising costs of living for yourself and no matter how you want to slice it, that is stupid and especially stupid if you don't have much money to begin with.

People can end up being poor because of factors that are out of their control, that's reality. But it's also true that people can remain poor because of their own bad decisions. It does not surprise me that the poorest Americans are not financially literate enough to understand how tariffs work, and that they as group happen to be the most in support of a policy that will hurt themselves the most. But information on tariffs is out there and it's available for free, so all it takes is a little bit of time and effort to read up on it.

You know that Harris has said that she wouldn't have done any thing different to how Biden has done them in the past few years. Biden has kept tariffs on China among others, so does it make sense in your mind that Harris is against tariffs across the board? Or is the topic of tariffs actually a question of how they are being applied?

MAGA is very motivated by fear: fear of supposedly lawless immigrants flooding into the country and ruining the property value and economy (hide the pets!), fear of women having more bodily autonomy and a decreasing (white) population that undermines their status as the majority of the population, fear of supposed moral decline with the empowerment of said women along with other minority groups like LGBTQ, fear of rising social awareness and knowledge of history (you know, "woke"), and just fear of a changing climate of the times in general. That last one is ironic, because they don't fear climate change at all.

EDIT: I should have finished getting caught up on the rest of the thread before replying. I see that I'm just repeating what others have already said.

More Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and Goldwater lost overwhelmingly in 1964. If these things were as important beyond the Deep South as you say then surely none of that wouldn't have happened. I'm not saying Democrats needed to adopt George Wallace's ideas as the party's mainstream, and even he was open to a more gradualist compromise with either party in case 1968 was a deadlock.

None of that has anything to do with being obliterated in the high plains and the Rust Belt in recent years. Yes, that would require more concessions/moderation in social questions. But a mainstream party has to work with the electorate it has, not the one it wished it had.

Just a few months ago a Democratic representative was expelled in Nebraska for being pro-life (like... Jimmy Carter). It almost cost the Democrats the NE-2 electoral vote. Tell me how any of that is smart politics.

You don't have to apologise to me, just don't give up hope, I'm already seeing far too many Democrats proclaiming that Trump has already won before even reaching the finish line in a tight race, this pessimism is spreading and it's exactly what Republicans want you to feel. Not everyone has voted yet but I fear this sort of talk could discourage those who have yet to vote from even bothering because what's the point?

We can be realistic that Trump has a decent chance of winning and that we should be prepared for that, I've been screaming for months now that Europe needs to prepare for a Trump victory, a man who often praises Putin more than America's own damn European allies, a man who will throw Ukraine/Europe under the bus to Putin's benefit, Putin, who is currently trying to wipe out entire European countries. I've been saying for months that Europe seriously needs to invest massively into its own military now and decouple itself from America because America is an unreliable ally when someone like Trump could get into power so easily, the threat is too great to ignore the possibility.

But there's a difference between acknowledging there's a possibility and preparing for it and giving up completely before even reaching the finish line, it is scary to see Democrats already giving up in such a critical election not just to Americans but the entire world. I know you've done your part and voted which is brilliant, I'm just fearful of this "we've already lost" attitude spreading to those who have yet to vote.

Didn't Rogan support RFK Jr for like a day before his fanbase ripped him apart? Lol. I do think Harris should go on it if she can fit it into her schedule because it's not much different from Fox News which she held her own in but I expect Rogan will be a lot more critical towards Harris than he was towards Trump, though Rogan is a bit of an idiot so I think Harris would handle herself well. If she can't fit it into her schedule and deemed it less important than other things then I trust they've crunched the numbers and decided his userbase won't amount to much in votes.

Having said that, I see the interview has millions of views but the only viral clips I'm seeing of it online are those which are mocking Trump, from him being unable to explain how the election in 2020 was stolen and Rogan laughing at his rambling, to him praising President Xi's authoritarianism and once again saying the "enemies within" are more dangerous than America's actual enemies like Russia, North Korea, etc. "Some of these women... they're so stupid," is another lovely clip from the interview.

I don't know when the Rogan subreddit turned on Rogan but they've been blasting Rogan for years, Lol. Also Trump during the interview threw out the idea to replace income taxes with tariffs which is being mocked as stupid by the whole economics community. A lot of talk also about how weak Rogan was during the interview. Genuinely I've yet to see a single positive clip from that interview.

Yes, targeted tariffs can be okay but Trump is too stupid for that. Trump's trade war with China was widely considered a complete failure and severely hurt American farmers, this dumbass bankrupted casinos, are we really going to trust this dude to go wild with tariffs on everyone? He has called for an across-the-board tariff of 20% on all imports into the US and on top of that he is suggesting to replace income taxes with tariffs which is impossible, it is stupid to believe that tariffs can replace income tax and yet Trump is suggesting it.

Tariffs would need to be so high but that would just result in imports to America collapsing and therefore less tariff revenue and no income tax, which results in less public spending, how the heck will America pay for their military, infrastructure, police force, healthcare, energy, etc. The rich would benefit the most from this whilst the elderly and poor will die and America's national debt will increase by a crazy amount. It is not mathematically or rather, logically, possible for tariffs to replace income tax.

I low-key get the feeling that Trump may not last 4 years but it doesn't fill me with comfort because JD Vance is a fucking psychopath too, Lol.