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shavenferret said:
JWeinCom said:

Eh, what? Half of their campaign is immigrants are going to kill you and eat your cat and the other half is Kamala will personally cut off your son's penis and attach it to your daughter.  

They are a very scared bunch.  Just that when some animals are afraid they puff themselves out to hide it. 

The things you mention are out there but plz realize that immigrants and lgbtq issues are normally opposed by Republicans and I don't see what makes them any more of an issue for Republicans now than 4, 8, or 20 years ago. 

They got Roe overturned. They would also like to overturn Obergefell and Griswold. Those decisions were alluded to by Thomas as errors in the same way that he referred to Roe. There’s been a big rise in religious fundamentalism in the GOP, and they smell blood in the water.

How many people played Bioshock Infinite? The main bad guy was named in part after Anthony Comstock, a postal inspector who somehow managed to lobby Congress into passing all of the repressive morality laws that the  Warren Court, Burger Court, and Rehnquist Court spent decades nullifying. Those laws, the Comstock laws, are still on the books. 



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shavenferret said:
JWeinCom said:

Eh, what? Half of their campaign is immigrants are going to kill you and eat your cat and the other half is Kamala will personally cut off your son's penis and attach it to your daughter.  

They are a very scared bunch.  Just that when some animals are afraid they puff themselves out to hide it. 

The things you mention are out there but plz realize that immigrants and lgbtq issues are normally opposed by Republicans and I don't see what makes them any more of an issue for Republicans now than 4, 8, or 20 years ago. 

Sorry, I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say. 



shavenferret said:

Interesting, so many of us are worried about Trump winning. While the MAGA crowd isn't motivated as much by fear, they still want what the candidate that best supports their views. Should this fear be a pain point to motivate independents and dems to go out and vote to a greater degree? This can't just be a bubble. I'm not saying that this forum is representative of the US or anything but rather that the concerns that Trump brings are more common than you'd think.

The MAGA crowd is extremely motivated by fear. 

Claiming that "illegal immigrants are going to take over the country, raping and pillaging the country."

Claiming that "Trans people are going to rape people in bathrooms."

Claiming that Democrats are pedophiles, baby killers, etc. 

shavenferret said:

The things you mention are out there but plz realize that immigrants and lgbtq issues are normally opposed by Republicans and I don't see what makes them any more of an issue for Republicans now than 4, 8, or 20 years ago. 

They have been embolden by Trump, Fox News and others. 

Murdoch and others have likely spent billions spreading fear and misinformation over the past couple decades. Their policy and rhetoric is getting more extreme, not less. 



JWeinCom said:
shavenferret said:

The things you mention are out there but plz realize that immigrants and lgbtq issues are normally opposed by Republicans and I don't see what makes them any more of an issue for Republicans now than 4, 8, or 20 years ago. 

Sorry, I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say. 

Sorry it has taken me a bit of time to collect my thoughts and present them.  We can go back and forth all day with these fuzzy concepts and so i'd like to present some hard data that has been collected and reported by the media.  I think that this would be a better way for me to approach this issue.  

I don't think that the republicans are presented with an immediate and time sensitive crisis in the same way that the democrats are and that this will cause some degree of laxity in them.  I think that if the turnout is high on election day, then democrats will win the day because they will be more motivated than republicans because of the crisis that one party has. 

Turnout may be low depending on the weather or other things going on.  But we will have to see.  

I'll look up some articles on how turnout is going so far......

1.  Texas is an early voting state, and i know that it will ultimately side with the republicans, but if it has a high turnout, there will be a greater chance for a high turnout elsewhere. And guess what, they seem to be doing quite well, with dems doing well (for texas, lol).  

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4947150-texas-early-voting-turnout-record/

2.  South Carolina.  I've got one article on a record turnout so far.  

https://scvotes.gov/south-carolinians-break-record-on-opening-day-of-early-voting-period/

3.  Indiana..... same thing.  

https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/briefs/indiana-early-voting-already-eclipsed-500000-elections-chief-says/

4.  Missouri -  Article mentions a "crazy turnout"  

https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/mid-missourians-begin-early-voting-counties-seeing-crazy-turnout/article_0547ecf0-90a4-11ef-8d4e-3703f9d07e65.html

4.  Kentucky-  The article mentions that absentee ballots have been very high, which indicates that voters who cast on location at polling places will also be high.  

https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/election/voter-guide/article294412084.html

5.  Conneticut. -  Same thing here.  They have a historic turnout.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/historic-number-of-residents-take-advantage-of-early-voting-in-connecticut/

The bottom line is that even if you people dismiss my argument that enthusiasm will be higher with democrats, i can easily bring out supporting evidence that supports what I say.  I have looked up articles and such to support my thesis.  And i present the gallup poll which does indeed show democrats as having a higher level of voter enthusiasm than Republicans.  here you all ( the-pi-guy, SanAndreasX, and JWeinCom) go:           

https://news.gallup.com/poll/649397/democrats-drive-surge-election-enthusiasm.aspx

Lastly, I will ask the three of you if you realize that a higher voter turnout favors the democrats.  This is a known thing.   So, even if my reasoning was bad on the crisis and urgency thing, you can see a much simpler form of that with the enthusiasm and turnout stuff.  So i'm still solid with this.

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I feel in the final stages that Harris campaign should focus on doom and negativity because unfortunately that does sell better than optimism and hope, I feel that Arizona is already a lost cause due to the disgusting immigrant rhetoric that Trump has been spewing and I know Democrats are held to a higher standard but fuck the bedwetting media who will scream about Democrats "rhetoric" while Trump praises Nazi Generals.

- Trump is a fascist who has praised Hitler's Generals, he said that Hitler had some good ideas, those who have worked closest to him in his previous administration label him as a fascist, including top-ranking military American military members. He has labelled people who don't support him as "the enemy" including politicians and media, the first thing fascists do.

- Trump hates all immigrants, it doesn't matter whether they're here illegally or not, he never makes that distinction, his disgusting rhetoric has spanned from Arabs to Mexicans to Haitians, who is next on the list? He has made up disgusting lies about them which has put them in danger. He will go on massive deportation campaigns and it won't matter who is here legally or not. You are not safe just because he hasn't mention you yet.

- Trump's economic ideas will utterly fuck America's economy, his last economy he inherited from Obama which was very strong and almost immediately screwed it up, alongside a trade war with China which fucked American farmers. His tariff plan is utterly insane and will slam costs onto the average American and he has zero plan on how to decrease your groceries due to inflation.

- Trump hates Muslims, remind them of his Muslim ban, he has a hatred towards Arabs and has said he would deport pro-Palestine protesters, albeit he labels them as "Pro-Hamas" but again, it's pretty fucking obvious he is just labelling that as all Pro-Palestine protesters which he says he will deport, even if they're legal American residents, where the fuck is he going to deport them to?

- If Trump wins, women's rights will be ripped away, and if you're a man, that's your mother, that's your daughter, that's your sister, any woman that you know in your life will have less human rights thanks to Trump. He will continue what he started in his presidency, millions of American women have lost their basic bodily autonomy thanks to Trump. What are you going to do when your family member is raped and can't get an abortion because of Trump's sick fuck policies?

- If Trump wins, Ukraine is fucked and hundreds of thousands more will die, a country will be taken over by another like it's the 1940s again. Trump has told fellow dictator Viktor Orban that he won't send another penny to Ukraine.

- If Trump wins, NATO is fucked, Trump has said that fellow fascist Vladimir Putin can do whatever the hell he wants to America's European allies. Hey isn't it funny how Trump also praises dictators like Orban, Putin and Kim more than he does America's actual allies that have fought and died alongside America? What the fuck has Russia or North Korea ever done for America?

- If Trump wins, Taiwan will be fucked, Trump has said that America shouldn't defend Taiwan unless Taiwan pays them despite the fact that he already knows that Taiwan spends heavily on America's military infrastructure, is this the world we want to live in? Where the innocent are only defended if they pay up? Are we a Mafia state now?

Etc. Etc. I'd blast the airwaves with ads alongside those points with direct quotes from Trump and his former administration in the final stretch. Unfortunately the dooming and negativity works better than the hope and positivity but in the case of Trump, a lot of it is true and comes directly from his own mouth or those closest to him.

Harris can and has given far more detailed policies than Trump but Trump screams "they're eating your cats/dogs" and "drill baby drill" and it's still somehow a tight race. It's largely going to come down to the economy, people blaming Harris for inflation and their grocery bills being more expensive today, it's low-educated voters who don't understand how the economy works and it's hard to get through to them unless you give them something stronger to fear. Though there's also just millions of Americans who buy into Trump's disgusting rhetoric.

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Chrkeller said:
the-pi-guy said:

Thanks for bringing in actual data. 

Chrkeller was arguing that companies don't like to lose money. Mistakes can still be made, even on the industrial scale. Bad data can make misleading conclusions. Even good data though, can be interpreted completely incorrectly. Especially when you don't have all the facts.

Bad data like Trump being under polled in 2016 and 2020?

Just because you don't like that data doesn't mean it is bad data. 

The data has it being tight, with an edge to Trump.

You shouldn't backhand jab the messenger.

And yes, professional betting firms aren't in the business of losing money and I'm certain they understand data better than the random folks in this thread.

That’s because it IS bad data. These same GOP-flooded pollsters also had the GOP retaking control of the Senate per their skewed polling averages in 2022, it didn’t happen. They also said they’d gain 70 seats in the House, later down to 30, turns out they only gained 10.

So yes, people are right to dismiss it. Just like Kamala’s 2 point lead in NC suddenly disappeared when Quantus Insights released their poll, which they took credit for in a tweet. Don’t take MY word for it, though. When 1 or 2 nonpartisan polls are being released in each swing state in the last week and 7 by the same firm, you know something’s up:

Doesn’t align with this, though:

You know what else isn’t being reflected in these GOP-flooded polls? Early voting, which shows Kamala with a massive lead in PA which Trump needs.

Or the early-voting in GA, NC and AZ, which also favors Kamala:

Of course, we all know why they’re doing this: so Trump can once again (fraudulently as every single court, some with his own appointed judges ruled in 2020-2021) claim the election was “stolen” if/when he loses, not that he was ever gonna accept the results in a loss (just like in 2020). It’s his get-out-of-jail-free card, after all.

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Can't wait until Christianity is a minority religion in America...

Not that I have anything against religion, I have something against these fucking weirdo Christian extremists though.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - 4 days ago

This is probably the true reason why Musk believes he will be arrested if Harris wins, Lol.

I've said it before, yeah, there's some immigrants damaging America, but it isn't the ones Trump is banging on about, it's the twat from South Africa (Musk) and the other twat from Australia (Murdoch). What a coincidence that Musk was trying to influence peoples views on the war on Twitter as well, going as far as spreading outright bullshit Russian propaganda. This man is being promised a spot in Trump's administration, the guy who praises Vladimir Putin, alongside his VP, the guy who said he doesn't care what happens to Ukraine.

Elon Musk just wants to be America's first Oligarch modelled after Russian Oligarchs.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - 4 days ago

the-pi-guy said:

Claiming that Democrats are pedophiles.

Which is ironic considering Trump supported one for Congress in 2017.

Luckily slightly more than half of Alabama voters are against sexual assault and pedophilia and it failed.

And his ties with Epstein, literally flying his jet to his small rallies which has people leaving. And groping a woman he met through Epstein.



shavenferret said:
JWeinCom said:

Sorry, I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say. 

Sorry it has taken me a bit of time to collect my thoughts and present them.  We can go back and forth all day with these fuzzy concepts and so i'd like to present some hard data that has been collected and reported by the media.  I think that this would be a better way for me to approach this issue.  

I don't think that the republicans are presented with an immediate and time sensitive crisis in the same way that the democrats are and that this will cause some degree of laxity in them.  I think that if the turnout is high on election day, then democrats will win the day because they will be more motivated than republicans because of the crisis that one party has. 

Turnout may be low depending on the weather or other things going on.  But we will have to see.  

I'll look up some articles on how turnout is going so far......

1.  Texas is an early voting state, and i know that it will ultimately side with the republicans, but if it has a high turnout, there will be a greater chance for a high turnout elsewhere. And guess what, they seem to be doing quite well, with dems doing well (for texas, lol).  

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4947150-texas-early-voting-turnout-record/

2.  South Carolina.  I've got one article on a record turnout so far.  

https://scvotes.gov/south-carolinians-break-record-on-opening-day-of-early-voting-period/

3.  Indiana..... same thing.  

https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/briefs/indiana-early-voting-already-eclipsed-500000-elections-chief-says/

4.  Missouri -  Article mentions a "crazy turnout"  

https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/mid-missourians-begin-early-voting-counties-seeing-crazy-turnout/article_0547ecf0-90a4-11ef-8d4e-3703f9d07e65.html

4.  Kentucky-  The article mentions that absentee ballots have been very high, which indicates that voters who cast on location at polling places will also be high.  

https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/election/voter-guide/article294412084.html

5.  Conneticut. -  Same thing here.  They have a historic turnout.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/historic-number-of-residents-take-advantage-of-early-voting-in-connecticut/

The bottom line is that even if you people dismiss my argument that enthusiasm will be higher with democrats, i can easily bring out supporting evidence that supports what I say.  I have looked up articles and such to support my thesis.  And i present the gallup poll which does indeed show democrats as having a higher level of voter enthusiasm than Republicans.  here you all ( the-pi-guy, SanAndreasX, and JWeinCom) go:           

https://news.gallup.com/poll/649397/democrats-drive-surge-election-enthusiasm.aspx

Lastly, I will ask the three of you if you realize that a higher voter turnout favors the democrats.  This is a known thing.   So, even if my reasoning was bad on the crisis and urgency thing, you can see a much simpler form of that with the enthusiasm and turnout stuff.  So i'm still solid with this.

Ah ok. Appreciate the clarification.

I would agree with a few caveats.

First, I'm not sure Texas will be going to the Republicans. Texas has been getting closer and closer in recent elections. It seems to be very close right now, and last year, Democrats actually took more of the election day vote than the Republicans did. Of course, that was last year, and this year is this year. I'm not saying Democrats will win Texas, but it would not shock me.

As for turnout, high turnout tends to favor the democrats. But, every election is different. It can be different this year. Looking at the campaign though, it's hard to see why people would be super enthusiastic to vote for Trump. Inflation is an issue, but it's been lowering, and I just don't see that as an issue that electrifies voters. I think voters that are voting for Trump because they think he will fix inflation, he won't, are the type that have mixed feelings about him, not the type to be rabid supporters. Meanwhile, I think voters who are voting because they think Trump is a threat, or based on abortion access are likely to be enthusiastic about their vote.

So, yeah, I don't disagree with you overall. Even though I'm anxious about the election, I can't rationally come up with a reason why Trump should be winning. 

Ryuu96 said:

This is probably the true reason why Musk believes he will be arrested if Harris wins, Lol.

I've said it before, yeah, there's some immigrants damaging America, but it isn't the ones Trump is banging on about, it's the twat from South Africa (Musk) and the other twat from Australia (Murdoch). What a coincidence that Musk was trying to influence peoples views on the war on Twitter as well, going as far as spreading outright bullshit Russian propaganda. This man is being promised a spot in Trump's administration, the guy who praises Vladimir Putin, alongside his VP, the guy who said he doesn't care what happens to Ukraine.

Elon Musk just wants to be America's first Oligarch modelled after Russian Oligarchs.

It is quite baffling that this will not lead to an electoral landslide for Harris. But I suppose the immigrants who made my breakfast sandwich, clean my office, do my plumbing, took care of my grandmother when her health was failing, help me on my projects, and performed my grandfather's surgery are way more of a threat to America than Vladmir Putin. 

KManX89 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Claiming that Democrats are pedophiles.

Which is ironic considering Trump supported one for Congress in 2017.

Luckily slightly more than half of Alabama voters are against sexual assault and pedophilia and it failed.

And his ties with Epstein, literally flying his jet to his small rallies which has people leaving. And groping a woman he met through Epstein.

Trump on Epstein- "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”