I'm not moving anything.  Performance is ram and bandwidth.  The S2 has 20% more ram but minus 50% speed.  Just facts.  The bandwidth is the limiting factor like I've said for a year now.

By comparison to high, the 4090 has 24 gb, which is great, but it is also 1000 gb/s.  Don't under estimate bandwidth. 

The good news is the deck runs games, and the S2 is more powerful.  Low resolution, low settings and 30 fps on big games is feasible.  

Nintendo chose the higher bandwidth solution. A Switch 2 the size of a laptop is a Switch 2 that only sells 20-30 million units, Nintendo is in the business of selling 150 million systems, not a niche amount of hardware for tech nerds. 

LPDDR5X is a fantastic performance choice, it's the higher end of the two options they realistically had the chose from (LPDDR5X or LPDDR5). Switch 2 will have more RAM than the Series S and higher bandwidth than the Steam Deck and ROG Ally ... this is a very nice compromise that still is cognizant of a having a good performing machine. Wii/DS/3DS/Wii U this definitely is not, 12GB of LPDDR5X RAM even today is something really only used in quite expensive mobile devices. Nintendo fans should be quite happy with this news, the main reason to use LPDDR5X is if you want higher performance from your hardware, the fact that they went that route indicates they want a system that has a fairly good level of performance, otherwise you don't need the more expensive RAM choice. 

Both of the following statements can be true, they are not mutually exclusive:

A) Nintendo went high end for a portable 

B) S2 will have a memory bandwidth bottleneck compared to home electronics 

False. LPDDR5X is used in more than just $1000 phones and tablets.
It's in MiniPC's and Laptops as well, for example: https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_4_AMD
OneXPlayer handheld PC uses LPDDR5X. - https://onexplayerstore.com/products/onexfly?variant=46620430663974

Actual Ram vs Usable Ram is an important distinction to make, one which I outlined prior.
Just because a console has 12GB of Ram, doesn't mean it can use it all for gaming... Microsoft's Xbox Series S OS/Background tasks use less than 2GB.

And again... If the Switch 2.0 has 4GB allocated to the OS/Background tasks, then it will be on par with the Series S in terms of available memory for gaming.

We are at the point where we don't need to choose 12GB @120GB/s or 16GB @ 80GB/s... It should just be 16GB @120GB/s.

I would personally prefer bandwidth closer to 200GB/s for better 1080P performance as Nintendo gamers tend to promote/hype the fact these machines can output to a Television, so it needs all the help it can get on a big canvas... And the best way to do that is with oodles of fillrate.

Teraflops is a useless and irrelevant metric... 120GB/s is not enough for great 1080P gaming, especially when you start to bog it down with tons of alpha effects and ray tracing.

I always want more. More for my money is -not- a bad thing... If you argue otherwise, then you are anti-consumer.

Not really.

This is not generational-leading like the NES/SNES/N64/Gamecube, it's still rumoured to be weaker than all the current gen consoles. Even the Series S.

That is a baseless assertion.
The device is not even out yet, we don't even know what it's hardware or form factor it is.

People made the claim that the 3DS was going to be a knock-out success based on the DS printing cash.
People made the claim that the WiiU was going to be a knock-out success based on the Wii printing cash.

I suggest waiting to see how the device is received by consumers before making baseless and outlandish claims.

It's still a handheld, so DLSS/Higher clocks are only going to take you so far when you start comparing it against Xbox, PC and Playstation though... It's also releasing mid-generation, so it's going to be outdated very quickly once the next-gen consoles start rolling out in a few years.

I wish Nintendo to have a ton of success, we need every single piece of competition we can get to keep the market healthy, I'll be a buyer, whatever the console ends up being.

Steam Deck and Rog Ally are only targeting 720P. Keep that in mind... Hence their bandwidth requirements are lower.

It could be 3200MT/s... It's not out and not verified, it's all rumour.

But yes, I did make that mistake, thanks for picking up on it.

I was always under the impression that the Switch OS had 1GB allocated to the OS/Background tasks.
If that has changed, I would be interested to see your source of information to verify that.

And let's face it, the Switch OS is slow and stuttery still, it needs more CPU time, it needs more Ram... Better than the horrible WiiU OS, but still not enough.

We also need to remember that the Switch OS also lacks many features the other consoles have, add those features in... Then increase your memory usage.

It will be based on *Nix and closed source components, won't do much for security and piracy though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they push more than 2GB as people want new features... Like Voice Chat, Video Streaming, Themes, Social/Party aspects, Apps like Web Browsers and even other services, which Microsoft is pushing heavily front and center.
If Nintendo wants to bring it's console into the current generation, then it's going to need more Ram for that.

As above... It is certainly memory hungry for the "work" and features the OS has. Which isn't a lot... And it still ends up being slow on top of it.

The 4070 gets to use all it's Ram for itself.
..You still have System Memory to alleviate those pressures.

Ray Tracing is very memory demanding.

In a console, it's all in one... Everything needs to share/fight for that limited memory pool.

Just remember, you can use LPDDR4 and outperform LPDDR5X. It's all about how wide you want to take it.

LPDDR5X is power-enhanced, it's not the fastest memory on the market.

Conversely, it's rumoured to not even use fast LPDDR5X Ram, so it's benefits are rather limited anyway outside of power.

C) ROG Ally runs pretty much all current gen games with slower LPDDR5 RAM. 

This is more bandwidth than a $700 ROG Ally (the higher end model). Significantly more actually. 

D) This likely also indicates a GPU that requires that extra bandwidth. A ROG Ally crushes a PS4 by being able to run many games a PS4 couldn't dream of running, so it should be asked why Nintendo needs even more bandwidth than a ROG Ally. Well it probably points to a Tegra T239 that is fairly performant. If Nintendo just wanted PS4 tier performance, you don't need LPDDR5X for that, not with even a 2022 era chip. 

I feel like you are fighting arguments nobody is making.  Nobody is saying it can't run current games.  It will, similar to Rog.  720p, low settings at 30 to 45 fps.  If people are happy with that for third party, all good here.  

Crushes the ps4 is likely an exaggeration, but not worth fighting.  Better than a ps4, sure.

The S2 will be between the ps4 and series s.....  like I said 12 months ago.

Day 1 here.  Shit like LM4, pikmin 5 and zelda are going to look great.  Huge jump over the current Switch. 

Edit

I think Perma's point, and I agree, games in 2 to 3 years are going to require more than they do today.  So half way through the S2's life will be challenging for big AAA content.  The rumored series 5000 gpus all are pointing to big jumps in bandwidth....

Edit 2

I do think, given Nintendo's style, the S2 has a good chance at standardizing 1080p/60 fps.  Which would be amazing.  

A ROG Ally can do better than that. 

It runs Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (a game yourself have cited as a showcase example of a game well beyond a PS4) at Medium settings and at near 60 fps and at high settings at a still respectable 30-40 fps. If the ROG Ally had DLSS the image quality would look considerably better too (it would look more like 1080p-1440p native) than what is shown here, but this is what even just lower performing LPDDR5 can do:

Objectively Nintendo fans should be very happy with a RAM choice that is significantly higher bandwidth than what this $700 system has and they should also factor in their silicon is going to have the advantage of DLSS which this AMD device unfortunately can't utilize for even better looking image quality than this. 

The Wii/Wii U/DS/3DS era this most certainly is not. 

Rogallylife has the following settings at 30-45 fps, with performance a 3.5/5.0, when in turbo mode which kills your battery life:

To each their own, I would call that low settings and still low fps.  

Plus you have to note:

Rog Ally: 16 gb ram

S2: 12 gb ram

Rog Ally: 8.5 teraflops

S2: approx 4-5 teraflops

You can't call literal Medium Settings and High Settings "low settings" just because you feel like it. The guy is literally playing on Medium and High Settings as specified by the game itself. 

ROG Ally's teraflop numbers are juiced too for marketing purposes, it doesn't actually push 8 teraflops in a realistic sense otherwise it would be double the performance of a Series S which we know isn't true and they have been called out for that misleading marketing. S2 and ROG Ally are likely going to be similar in performance, which is fantastic for Nintendo players, ROG Ally is one heck of a device, it can run pretty much any modern game thrown at it even with no real hardware level optimization, something the Switch 2 will have benefit of.

A ROG Ally as is is a really terrific product, a version with 30% more memory bandwidth and DLSS would be an amazing little powerhouse of a gaming machine. 

Not sure what you are reading.  Ratchet view the screenshot is low settings across the board.  

But not worth derailing this thread, more than we ready did.